Constructive Criticism

[BoKe]

So basically what the title says you can give your constructive criticism but please follow the rules and don’t be toxic or hateful in anyway. Reason why I am doing this is to help the community better and give are options on what the forum community thinks.

Note: I am not responsible if you get over the top and break a forum rule. Example: Saying something hateful and not beneficial at all to help this community.

 

[BoKe]

I’m gonna start with how they ban “possible cheaters”, this method is not good at all, I just don’t see how you can ban someone that has been playing on the server for so long and is a true member of your community and just ban them on the spot without being 100% positive they are cheating. Another thing I want to talk about is staff that are at war with a org and they take there sits, reason why I think this is bad because there is obviously going to be some biased towards them, this has happen to me before we’re a staff member that is at war with us takes a sit and we get punished so hard for something so little. Another thing i want to talk about is how one police officer can put fear rp on you I think that is ridiculous because let say this cop has a pistol and you have a assault rifle you know you would win but you can’t do anything also he does not out number you so why would you be scared, it should be changed to two cops because you are out numbered and it makes since you have to value your life.

 

[itz_coffee]

I’m gonna start with how they ban “possible cheaters”, this method is not good at all, I just don’t see how you can ban someone that has been playing on the server for so long and is a true member of your community and just ban them on the spot without being 100% positive they are cheating. Another thing I want to talk about is staff that are at war with a org and they take there sits, reason why I think this is bad because there is obviously going to be some biased towards them, this has happen to me before we’re a staff member that is at war with us takes a sit and we get punished so hard for something so little. Another thing i want to talk about is how one police officer can put fear rp on you I think that is ridiculous because let say this cop has a pistol and you have a assault rifle you know you would win but you can’t do anything also he does not out number you so why would you be scared, it should be changed to two cops because you are out numbered and it makes since you have to value your life.

2nd is already a guideline, 3rd was already changed to 2 people a couple of weeks ago

 

[BoKe]

2nd is already a guideline, 3rd was already changed to 2 people a couple of weeks ago

For the 3rd one that my bad I misread it, and for the second one it’s a guideline but not enforced.

 

[Bryce]

For the part about cheaters, that is an unfortunate side effect of the community calling so heavy for prosecution of cheaters.

 

[BoKe]

For the part about cheaters, that is an unfortunate side effect of the community calling so heavy for prosecution of cheaters.

Yes but that doesn’t mean you start banning people because you think they are hacking, this staff team needs a better way to figure out on how to find cheaters. Dedicated members of this community are being banned for “cheating” without 100% proof they are which is very wrong also a very flawed method. For example, the towns people are saying there are a bunch of witches, they accuse this person of being a witch before they get rid of her they ask prove your not a witch, how can you prove your not a witch?

 

[Bryce]

Yes but that doesn’t mean you start banning people because you think they are hacking, this staff team needs a better way to figure out on how to find cheaters. Dedicated members of this community are being banned for “cheating” without 100% proof they are which is very wrong also a very flawed method. For example, the towns people are saying there are a bunch of witches, they accuse this person of being a witch before they get rid of her they ask prove your not a witch, how can you prove your not a witch?

You said this was constructive criticism. So what I need you to do is provide us with an idea of what you would use to catch cheaters with 100 percent certainty, beyond a reasonable doubt. Its virtually impossible, as software out there now has so many scripts to hide and protect the cheating pleb. Sometimes we get lucky and a dumbass will post a video of it being completely obvious, like Shadez did. But not every cheater is that obnoxiously horrible.

 

[BoKe]

You said this was constructive criticism. So what I need you to do is provide us with an idea of what you would use to catch cheaters with 100 percent certainty, beyond a reasonable doubt. Its virtually impossible, as software out there now has so many scripts to hide and protect the cheating pleb. Sometimes we get lucky and a dumbass will post a video of it being completely obvious, like Shadez did. But not every cheater is that obnoxiously horrible.

Is to watch a player everyday and collect a huge amount of evidence toward that person, enough to prove he is 99% hacking, while collecting evidence recorded over it and look over it thoroughly, have the entire staff team look over it, have your dev that work on anti cheat and know what cheating looks like to look over it, wait until there on the server freeze them tell them you can either share your screen and we look over your entire computer for cheats or be banned. Forgot to note only look over there computer if the staff team does think he is hacking if they don’t think he is hacking leave him be if they do like I said wait for him to get on freeze him and say we can look over your entire computer by sharing screens or be banned. I think this method would be way better than the other method the only problem I can see with this is invasion of privacy.

 

[Credence]

Staff can't focus on one person they have sits to take and other people to spectate etc.

 

[Rufucuz]

Lmao dont cheat and dont get banned easy as that , staff doesnt have all day to watch u do ur shit . From what i know people who have been banned for cheating did cheat , and people who have been banned for possible cheating knew friends/org mates who were cheating and dint do shit.
Summary - dont cheat and u wont be banned

 

[BoKe]

Lmao dont cheat and dont get banned easy as that , staff doesnt have all day to watch u do ur shit . From what i know people who have been banned for cheating did cheat , and people who have been banned for possible cheating knew friends/org mates who were cheating and dint do shit.
Summary - dont cheat and u wont be banned

Since you say most of them were cheaters provide me evidence that clearly proves they were cheating second of all maby they should make a staff role that focus on cheaters. When I say provide me evidence like for example show me proof that wiz or 1% leader Mathew that he was cheating. Which I’m trying to prove is that your just assuming that they were cheating because they got banned for it, don’t get me wrong some people that have banned were cheating like chad and that mside guy.

 

[Zenius]

So what you are basically saying is that we should let a really suspicious player that people accuse of cheating be a part of the community...

 

[Melody]

Since you say most of them were cheaters provide me evidence that clearly proves they were cheating second of all maby they should make a staff role that focus on cheaters. When I say provide me evidence like for example show me proof that wiz or 1% leader Mathew that he was cheating.

This was discussed at length at the community talk last month. If you weren't in attendance, management has no reason to release any sort of evidence to the public, nor would it be in the community's best interest to do so. You'll have to have some faith in the system.

 

[BoKe]

This was discussed at length at the community talk last month. If you weren't in attendance, management has no reason to release any sort of evidence to the public, nor would it be in the community's best interest to do so. You'll have to have some faith in the system.

So basically telling me have faith in a system that doesn’t show evidence, that’s like saying believe in god but you don’t read the Bible. I’m just saying the only reason I don’t believe in the system is because of the rule which basically says “If we think you are hacking you can be banned” basically a system of prove your innocence, when it should be the other way around were you have to prove someone guilty.

 

[“Tyrone”]

So what you are basically saying is that we should let a really suspicious player that people accuse of cheating be a part of the community...

I mean.. if you have no direct evidence provided that proves usage of third party software, yes because there’s a really high probability that the player is just good and is generally good at these types of games. Getting accused of cheating means nothing, you kill someone one time and they call you a hacker that doesn’t mean they should be banned without actual evidence.

 

[Bryce]

I mean.. if you have no direct evidence provided that proves usage of third party software, yes because there’s a really high probability that the player is just good and is generally good at these types of games. Getting accused of cheating means nothing, you kill someone one time and they call you a hacker that doesn’t mean they should be banned without actual evidence.

We don't do that, my friend. We take many things into account. One report doesn't mean you're gone.

 

[“Tyrone”]

We don't do that, my friend. We take many things into account. One report doesn't mean you're gone.

I diddnt say that.

that people accuse of cheating be a part of the community...

I was responding to this. Explaining that you should have extremely solid evidence to justify a permanent ban.

 

[Maj.Kat]

This thread has turned into a discussion about one thing that management has already made clear. Community Management reserves the power to ban someone if they believe they are using third party cheating software. We are not going to disclose the evidence we need to gather to remove someone for cheating nor will we disclose reasons we have banned previous people for possibly cheating.

Systems like this are put in place in other games. We will take CS:GO for an example. People over a certain level/gameplay time can review people who have been reported for hacking and make a decision. WITHOUT question people have been falsely banned in that game, without ANY chance for them to be unbanned. Similarly, for Monolith, it is not just one day we wake up and say "yeah let's go ban this guy for hacking, he was reported", AND we give people the chance to appeal their ban and we review the reasons we have decided to ban them. I do not feel like I need to further explain my point.

I am not going to go further into detail about any of this. We use specific methods to determine if a player should be banned. Players have already provided us with the information that they do not like this rule, which is completely understandable. I do not believe this rule will be removed anytime soon.

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