Friskiemar Staff Report

[Che'f Boyarte]

Your Steam Name: beans
Your Steam ID: STEAM_1:0:64170573
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Adam James


Admin being reported: @friskiemar


Reason for Report: Handling a sit wrongfully
Time of Occurrence: Around 4am 6/29/2019
Evidence to support your claim: To start off, this morning I saw a Lancer leaving a base and decided to chase after it and mug it. While chasing him I inform my friend Jake Baller over the frequency what I am doing and he was currently sitting at townhall waiting for a sit. As I attempted to follow the lancer it was occupied by Dusty(I am unable to find his forum account) he started calling my vehicle out and stated stuff along the lines of I am being mugged etc. We approached the drug dealer and I exited my car and told him to step out with his hands up. This probably took him longer than usual as it took him 10-15 seconds to do which I did not kill him for. While he exited the car his hands were not up so I shot him as a warning. I then told him to start walking with me in the direction of the Illegal dealer and he then said "What did you say?" and I then shot him for stalling. I would like to add while I was mugging Dusty, Jake said that his friends were leaving townhall and since Dusty said that he was being mugged, his slow response times and failure to follow commands meant he was stalling for his friends to respond. I then went to town hall to converse with jake and as Dusty respawned, he called me such things as a queer, bitch, faggot and etc prior to the sit. Additionally, before the sit Dusty admitted to friskiemar basing with them meaning that they were friends and or acquaintances at the least. During the sit no video proof was provided by Dusty or myself and that is one thing that I feel like was wrong. Dusty claimed he did not hear me clearly and that I didn't give him enough time yet this is hard to tell when a video is absent. Secondly, Friskiemar decided that the situation started from when I shot him in the head and when I killed him which he said lasted 21 seconds. But friskiemar lacked to acknowledge the time that I told him to get out of the car which I previously stated was around 10-15 seconds which would make the whole situation 32-36 seconds long. To conclude, Jake was telling me over the radio he had overheard dustys friends say they were coming to help him which ended up in me executing him for previously failing to comply with my demands, as well as stalling for his friends to come and save him which had to come from some form of out of game communication. I feel that the staff member should be better trained on biases and required evidence and I strongly believe my 5-day blacklist should be removed.
Additional members involved/witnessing: @Jake the baller

 

[friskiemar]

@PMX

 

[friskiemar]

he started calling my vehicle out and stated stuff along the lines of I am being mugged etc. We approached the drug dealer and I exited my car and told him to step out with his hands up.

First of all, just because he says that "I think this white mom van is going to try an mug me" doesn't mean that you can kill him. Especially since he was not under fear RP nor was he in zipties.

While he exited the car his hands were not up so I shot him as a warning.

So you shot somebody for not having their hands up because they just stepped out of the car? I don't think it is possible for somebody to step out of the vehicle with their hands up in monolith. And you know this.

then told him to start walking with me in the direction of the Illegal dealer and he then said "What did you say?" and I then shot him for stalling.

This in of itself is a rule break.

slow response times and failure to follow commands meant he was stalling for his friends to respond

1. You don't know that if he was actually stalling or not.
2. 21-36 seconds does not sound like stalling to me.
~lets say hypothetically that there was 15 seconds from you telling him to step out of the car with his hands up to him being shot from the first time. It is a fact that between the first shot and the shot that killed him there was 21 seconds. That means there was a maximum of 36 seconds and a minimum of I would estimate 25 seconds. Which again....doesn't sound like stall RP to me.

I then went to town hall to converse with jake and as Dusty respawned, he called me such things as a queer, bitch, faggot and etc prior to the sit.

I spoke to dusty about this, he admitted to calling you some names and being disrespectful. So I issued a fair punishment. Which I told you I was gonna do anyways.

Dusty admitted to friskiemar basing with them meaning that they were friends and or acquaintances at the least.

I haven't based with anybody since Paralake. This was the first time I based with anybody, and it happened to be with dusty. The only reason for that was because we were on the frequency and I was RPing with other staff members in a van. The entire time we were basing I did not speak to anybody. And quite frankly, it was not that great of an experience because people kept asking me about rules and rule breaks etc. With that being said, we had almost 15 people on the frequency. There were ALOT of people that were involved in the same situations as I was.

Moreover, there were no other staff members on. So I had to take the sit. And I recorded the entire situation and gave the recording to PMX. I gave both sides plenty of time to explain both sides of their story. And I came up with a ruling that, to the best of my knowledge, was fair.

During the sit no video proof was provided by Dusty or myself and that is one thing that I feel like was wrong.

Video or not, logs don't lie. And both of you guys gave me stories that coincided with each other and eventually added up with the logs. EVEN if he did hear you and he asked you to repeat yourself, technically speaking it would still be considered a rule break because it was not a valid reason to kill him. If you wanted him to follow you, then you should have ziptied him. But you did not do that for whatever reason. Also, you should have warned him to stop stall RPing before you killed him. If you did then this situation would have gone in your favor. I deemed it not necessary for video evidence considering that both of you told me the same story but had some minor details that differed.

Secondly, Friskiemar decided that the situation started from when I shot him in the head

The situation started when you told him to get out of the car. Simple as that. Please don't put words in my mouth. Getting shot in the head stuff was just to give us a small time frame to see what actually happened. Both of you agreed that dusty was shot in the head as SOON as he stepped out of the car.

overheard dustys friends say they were coming to help him which ended up in me executing him for previously failing

But in the sit you told me that you shot him because he was "stall RPing" and not listening to your commands. And as I stated before, you can't kill somebody for simply stating that they THINK that they MIGHT be getting mugged over the radio. Especially when there is actual uncertainty in the situation. Also, you cannot execute somebody if they are not actively calling for help or breaking fearRP. And if I recall he was doing neither of those.

out of game communication

There was no out of game communication going on.

I feel that the staff member should be better trained on biases and required evidence

It is evident that everything before this statement here is simply a targeted attack. Good day to you sir.

 

[Che'f Boyarte]

First of all, just because he says that "I think this white mom van is going to try an mug me" doesn't mean that you can kill him. Especially since he was not under fear RP nor was he in zipties.

There's no video evidence here, he failed to comply with my commands so I killed him and I will stand by my side since there is no video evidence. He called me out with his hands up and the whole reason I didn't kill him instantly was that I wanted to get more information on him before we raided the base.
Most of the statements above this comment that you said literally have to be proved by a video ex: "there was no out of game communication"
Also, If any other member of the staff team made this choice we would be reading the same staff report with different names. I am simply stating that since the logs cannot paint a good enough picture for this blacklist, and with no video evidence being provided, the entire situation should have been let go with no punishments handed out. I also think even though you feel that your feelings are being attacked does not mean you should issue a larger ban upon me.

 

[Stuvi]

Wheres the evidence to support your claims?

 

[Che'f Boyarte]

Wheres the evidence to support your claims?

That is the issue I was punished due to a lack of evidence.

 

[PMX]

Under review.

 

[PMX]

There is no evidence in this report and unfortunately the video friskie sent me makes it impossible for us to hear any of you in the sit, due to sound levels while recording or a similar issue. We can only hear his voice. After viewing part of video, I can tell that friskie dealt with the sit appropriately. He checked both of your records and punished you both accordingly: you for RDM, and the other person for disrespect.

Regarding the situation you were reported for, I wanted to clarify a few things:

While he exited the car his hands were not up so I shot him as a warning.

This is not allowed, as it is impossible for someone to leave the vehicle and immediately put their hands up. You need to give them a few seconds, due to the voice delay, plus the delay of putting their hands up.

As per our rules,

You are required to give the opposing party a reasonable time-period to respond and act upon your commands in situations where the rules allow various outcomes based on how the opposing party reacts. For example, it is forbidden to shoot someone instantly after giving them the order to put their hands up while at gunpoint. You need to make sure the opposing party heard you. Keep the voice-chat delay in mind.

You need to make sure the opposing party heard you. If he didn't hear your demands and was asking for clarification, you should have not killed him, as that is not a reason to kill.

On another hand, if he was simply stalling in order for his friends to go to his location in time, the kill was valid.

Friskie based his decision in the logs and both of your stories. I discussed it with him yesterday and 21-36 seconds is a long time, from my perspective. That can show the person was stalling or not. I believe in this case the decision should have been based on video evidence.

In conclusion, friskie acted in good faith and he dealt with the sit accordingly. He made his decision based on the logs and your records (to decide on your punishments). Therefore he was not biased whatsoever, based on what was presented in this staff report. However, as I mentioned above, I think he should have requested video evidence for a situation like this.

Concluded.