@Kn1ght Report

[wright]

Administrative Abuse Report Format


Your Steam Name: wright
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:91135411
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Frank Barnes


Admin being reported: @Kn1ght


Reason for Report:
A player makes a report accusing me of RDM'ing him, which I was able to explain very easily. I was bank security at the time and the player walked in and pulled out a machete and then asked if I "wanted to brawl", he was then shot. He had no business pulling a machete at such a close range, and obviously not in a bank.

After he re-spawned, he came right back into the bank, breaking NLR, and then began a whole situation with the Police & Bank Security, accusing me in-character of "murdering him". After he talked to the Police, they came in guns blazing which resulted in both parties shooting each other.

So, for the sit, @Kn1ght brings myself and the player and asks me to explain, which I do. The player then says he has a video and says he'll upload it, but @Kn1ght completely brushes that off and just assumes it's RDM. Disregarding the fact that he broke NLR, which logs clearly show by comparing death times and other logs. Not to mention he basically admitted to this... which was also brushed off.

He then brings one of the police officers that was shot and ask why BS shot at him. I explain to him that both parties were in the wrong and that police started the whole situation, along with the other player. Both players say they have a video but once again, it's completely ignored and I am instantly punished even though the other players weren't asked for their side of the story.

In all honesty, at this point is video evidence even required anymore? Two players have recordings of the entire situation:
video a). shows player X pulling a machete then coming back and breaking NLR
video b). shows player X and the rest of the police force failRP'ing and shooting for no apparent reason

They both offer to upload but @Kn1ght goes with "you know the rules, this will be a four day ban" which then extends into a "one week ban".

I'm sure the argument of, "you should of made a report" will conclude this report or "you know the rules"... but really?
Player X is rightfully killed and violates the rules, his report is accepted and his video evidence is declined
Player Y & their party have done multiple rule violations and Player Y even offers to show a video, which is also declined

Of course, Bank Security should not shoot at Police, but at this point there were random civilians joining in and shooting. The entire situation was a mess.

Both players were released, with @Kn1ght ignoring the fact that Player X and Player Y/ their party were the sole cause of the situation and in violation of the rules themselves.

My question to @Kn1ght is, why did you immediately take said player's word without even taking a second to look at their videos? They offered to upload multiple times but since you had already determined your decision, they stopped.

I understand the police situation, but how was that considered RDM? and evidence was declined? I'm very confused. You're a great administrator, not sure if it's because of you know, but I have never seen a case where we essentially decline video evidence and just take someone's word (regarding the initial report).

Time of Occurrence: 9/8/2019, ~2:30 PM
Evidence to support your claim: N/A; un-needed
Additional members involved/witnessing: other two players in sit

 

[Knight]

Greetings, Wright.

For this situation, I received two different reports from two different players. The first player claimed that he was killed by you without a valid RP reason when inside of the bank, the second was a police officer who claimed that you shot at him while he was trying to arrest you. Staff members witnessed the situation, and I will tag @Maj.Kat in here and he will explain why your ban was extended from 4 days to 1 week (for lying in a sit). I didn't take your word over the word of anybody else, nor did I deny video evidence. I did, however, ban you for killing a police officer (RDMx1, Unauthorized Corruption, and FailRP) because he was trying to arrest you. Even if the police are trying to "provoke" you as you stated, you know that you are not allowed to resist them or try to kill them. Given your past as a former Senior Administrator you should know the rules better than anybody else, given you did the same thing just the other day while playing as a police officer. In short, I banned you for violating our server rules (in the same way) for the second time in one week. You know better than anyone else that staff are watching, and if you are recording as you claimed then you should feel free to upload the evidence so management can review it, or file a ban appeal which I will take a look at. I fail to see how I mishandled the sit, but as always am open to independent analysis.

-Kn1ght

 

[wright]

Greetings, Wright.

For this situation, I received two different reports from two different players. The first player claimed that he was killed by you without a valid RP reason when inside of the bank, the second was a police officer who claimed that you shot at him while he was trying to arrest you. Staff members witnessed the situation, and I will tag @Maj.Kat in here and he will explain while your ban was extended from 4 days to 1 week (for lying in a sit). I didn't take your word over the word of anybody else, nor did I deny video evidence. I did, however, ban you for killing a police officer (RDMx1, Unauthorized Corruption, and FailRP) because he was trying to arrest you. Even if the police are trying to "provoke" you as you stated, you know that you are not allowed to resist them or try to kill them. Given your past as a former Senior Administrator you should know the rules better than anybody else, given you did the same thing just the other day while playing as a police officer. In short, I banned you for violating our server rules (in the same way) for the second time in one week. You know better than anyone else that staff are watching, and if you are recording as you claimed then you should feel free to upload the evidence so management can review it, or file a ban appeal which I will take a look at. I fail to see how I mishandled the sit, but as always am open to independent analysis.

-Kn1ght

The first player claimed that he was killed by you without a valid RP reason when inside of the bank, the second was a police officer who claimed that you shot at him while he was trying to arrest you. Staff members witnessed the situation, and I will tag @Maj.Kat in here and he will explain while your ban was extended from 4 days to 1 week (for lying in a sit).

I fail to see how there was no valid roleplay reason, if Maj.Kat/multiple staff members witnessed it, I'm sure there should be a clip of the player walking inside the bank with a machete on his back and pulling it out, then attempting to hit me with his fist. (I sure hope it doesn't contain "sensitive information", if so, I'm open with keeping this report open until someone is able to censor it out.)

If the whole "staff members aren't required to provide evidence" is argued, could @Kn1ght provide the steam names of the two players who were in the sit so I can contact them for their videos?

I didn't take your word over the word of anybody else, nor did I deny video evidence.

Kn1ght, you essentially declined the evidence. He said multiple times he had a video, and I said over chat (which is in logs) that he has a video. You completely ignored this.

I did, however, ban you for killing a police officer (RDMx1, Unauthorized Corruption, and FailRP) because he was trying to arrest you. Even if the police are trying to "provoke" you as you stated, you know that you are not allowed to resist them or try to kill them. Given your past as a former Senior Administrator you should know the rules better than anybody else,

Again, this is somewhat understandable but it's not just "they are trying to provoke me", no, both parties were in the wrong and I was shot at previously. Additionally, the player also said they had a video which you blatantly ignored multiple times... and to me that seems like you're declining the evidence. Where does the "RDM x1" come from?

Given your past as a former Senior Administrator you should know the rules better than anybody else

This here is a prime reason I do not see this report being accepted. I'm sure there are and will be plenty of giggles internally on this report, but the sad fact is due to me being who I am, I'm subject to more harsher punishments and the smallest thing that happens will result in an immediate ban.

I have not been punished for any of the related offenses in over a year. In fact, I have barely any offenses on my record. But as you said, given my past as a former Senior Administrator this is something I should expect. Just because someone has been a previous staff member, does not mean that you should ignore evidence in a sit as you did.

 

[Knight]

Wright,

I think you should know that I have integrity, given our past. I would never target you specifically, or any other person for that matter, nor confront or punish them without evidence. I did not punish you for killing the individual with the machete, I solely punished you for shooting at police officers when they were trying to arrest you. As you well know, resisting or shooting at police while playing as a government official is not allowed. Even if you felt the police were in the wrong, you needed to make a report. This is essentially what happened the other day with you, where rather than make a report, you took matters into your own hands.

"This here is a prime reason I do not see this report being accepted. I'm sure there are and will be plenty of giggles internally on this report, but the sad fact is due to me being who I am, I'm subject to more harsher punishments and the smallest thing that happens will result in an immediate ban. "

I am truly sorry that you feel this way, and again I would be open to modifying the ban on appeal, but the fact is I banned you for breaking our server rules. I don't want you to come on the server to break rules, I want you to come and have fun. I consider you a friend, but at the end of the day my responsibilities are to the server and its rules. I hope you can understand there are no hard feelings on my part, nor any malicious intent.

-kn1ght

 

[wright]

Wright,

I think you should know that I have integrity, given our past. I would never target you specifically, or any other person for that matter, nor confront or punish them without evidence. I did not punish you for killing the individual with the machete, I solely punished you for shooting at police officers when they are trying to arrest you. As you well know, resisting or shooting at police while playing as a government official is not allowed. Even if you felt the police were in the wrong, you needed to make a report. This is essentially what happened the other day with you, where rather than make a report, you took matters into your own hands.

"This here is a prime reason I do not see this report being accepted. I'm sure there are and will be plenty of giggles internally on this report, but the sad fact is due to me being who I am, I'm subject to more harsher punishments and the smallest thing that happens will result in an immediate ban. "

I am truly sorry that you feel this way, and again I would be open to modifying the ban on appeal, but the fact is I banned you for breaking our server rules. I don't want you to come on the server to break rules, I want you to come and have fun. I consider you a friend, but at the end of the day my responsibilities are to the server and its rules. I hope you can understand there are no hard feelings on my part, nor any malicious intent.

-kn1ght

I think you should know that I have integrity, given our past. I would never target you specifically, or any other person for that matter, nor confront or punish them without evidence.

Of course, I'm not questioning that. But the sad fact is that this happens frequently whether management would admit or not. This is a discussion for another day though.

punish them without evidence.

I'll address this at the end of this response.

I did not punish you for killing the individual with the machete, I solely punished you for shooting at police officers when they are trying to arrest you. As you well know, resisting or shooting at police while playing as a government official is not allowed. Even if you felt the police were in the wrong, you needed to make a report. This is essentially what happened the other day with you, where rather than make a report, you took matters into your own hands.

I may be confused, but this here implies I was also banned for not having a roleplay reason to kill the player:

The first player claimed that he was killed by you without a valid RP reason when inside of the bank, the second was a police officer who claimed that you shot at him while he was trying to arrest you. Staff members witnessed the situation, and I will tag @Maj.Kat in here and he will explain while your ban was extended from 4 days to 1 week (for lying in a sit). I didn't take your word over the word of anybody else, nor did I deny video evidence.

During the sit, we never handled the situation with this player, I even told you he violated the rules himself by breaking NLR... but like I said before you didn't seem to want to acknowledge it.

As you well know, resisting or shooting at police while playing as a government official is not allowed. Even if you felt the police were in the wrong, you needed to make a report. This is essentially what happened the other day with you, where rather than make a report, you took matters into your own hands.

I am well aware, but looking back at what I said here:

Of course, Bank Security should not shoot at Police, but at this point there were random civilians joining in and shooting. The entire situation was a mess.

I truly do not feel this was handled properly, if anything both sides were on the wrong. This entire situation was confusing and the reason I'm making the report is because I was the sole subject of the sit. You didn't even ask for their side of the story, Kn1ght. It was focused entirely on me, even with me explaining my side of the story, you kept repeating "you should know the rules" or something along those lines.

I'm not sure if it's because "multiple staff members were spectating" that you didn't want to view the videos at hand, but I fail to see how eye evidence is more powerful than concrete video evidence from his perspective..

I hope you can see how to me, that does not seem fair.

 

[Knight]

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Wright,

When I asked you why you shot at the police, these were the reasons you gave me. What I told you in the sit was that you should know better, and that if you felt another player was breaking the rules you should've made a report in-game instead of consciously trying to violate the server rules yourself. Shooting at police for trying to arrest you (when playing as a government official) is not allowed.

-Kn1ght

 

[wright]

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Wright,

When I asked you why you shot at the police, these were the reasons you gave me. What I told you in the sit was that you should know better, and that if you felt another player was breaking the rules you should've made a report in-game instead of consciously trying to violate the server rules yourself. Shooting at police for trying to arrest you (when playing as a government official) is not allowed.

-Kn1ght

instead of consciously trying to violate the server rules yourself. Shooting at police for trying to arrest you (when playing as a government official) is not allowed.

I'm not arguing that Bank Security are allowed to shoot at other government officials.

Allow me to re-quote what I said, which gives a more in-depth explanation:

During the sit, we never handled the situation with this player, I even told you he violated the rules himself by breaking NLR... but like I said before you didn't seem to want to acknowledge it.

As you well know, resisting or shooting at police while playing as a government official is not allowed. Even if you felt the police were in the wrong, you needed to make a report. This is essentially what happened the other day with you, where rather than make a report, you took matters into your own hands.

I am well aware, but looking back at what I said here:

Of course, Bank Security should not shoot at Police, but at this point there were random civilians joining in and shooting. The entire situation was a mess.

I truly do not feel this was handled properly, if anything both sides were on the wrong. This entire situation was confusing and the reason I'm making the report is because I was the sole subject of the sit. You didn't even ask for their side of the story, Kn1ght. It was focused entirely on me, even with me explaining my side of the story, you kept repeating "you should know the rules" or something along those lines.

I'm not sure if it's because "multiple staff members were spectating" that you didn't want to view the videos at hand, but I fail to see how eye evidence is more powerful than concrete video evidence from his perspective..

I hope you can see how to me, that does not seem fair.

Additionally, looking back at what I said again, in my last response:

I'm not sure if it's because "multiple staff members were spectating" that you didn't want to view the videos at hand, but I fail to see how eye evidence is more powerful than concrete video evidence from his perspective..

There was no evidence at hand and you did not ask other players for their side of the situation, which is why I've said that I do not feel the sit was handled properly. I'd hate to re-quote myself and re-post my entire response, but there are some points and statements I think you missed.

I'm brought to a sit and I'm the only player being questioned, the other players aren't asked anything. In addition to that, as I said the past few times, they offered evidence which was ignored in place of eye witness. If anything, I suppose you could call it very one-sided.

Additionally, I'm assuming that @Shimax and @Shiblamo were among the staff spectating as they're speaking with Maj.Kat and Lola and were in-game while this happened, so if anyone could possibly provide their viewpoint of the entire situation, that'd help out lots. By provide viewpoint, I mean a clip of your perspective of the police situation, as @Kn1ght says you were all spectating.

or again, if @Kn1ght could provide the names of the other two players in the sit, so we can get an actual video instead of he-said she-said.

Because as of now, I'm just getting "hey this person said you did this, so i'm going to go with it" while both players have valid videos of each situation.

 

[Knight]

I'm not arguing that Bank Security are allowed to shoot at other government officials.

Allow me to re-quote what I said, which gives a more in-depth explanation:


Additionally, looking back at what I said again, in my last response:


There was no evidence at hand and you did not ask other players for their side of the situation, which is why I've said that I do not feel the sit was handled properly. I'd hate to re-quote myself and re-post my entire response, but there are some points and statements I think you missed.

I'm brought to a sit and I'm the only player being questioned, the other players aren't asked anything. In addition to that, as I said the past few times, they offered evidence which was ignored in place of eye witness. If anything, I suppose you could call it very one-sided.

Additionally, I'm assuming that @Shimax and @Shiblamo were among the staff spectating as they're speaking with Maj.Kat and Lola and were in-game while this happened, so if anyone could possibly provide their viewpoint of the entire situation, that'd help out lots. By provide viewpoint, I mean a clip of your perspective of the police situation, as @Kn1ght says you were all spectating.

or again, if @Kn1ght could provide the names of the other two players in the sit, so we can get an actual video instead of he-said she-said.

Wright,

I'm really confused as to what it is you're trying to say. None of those people, as far as I'm aware, were spectating. As I know, Maj.Kat told me that you were lying as he witnessed a part of the situation. Additionally, I banned you because you admitted to breaking server rules. I'm not sure what it is you're trying to say here. I'm ALWAYS open to looking at evidence, but when I ask you to provide me a reason for shooting at the police as a member of bank security, and the reason you give me is completely invalid, then I have enough evidence to punish you. Again, this was not done on management's part through me, so I'm not sure what the assumptions about who was and wasn't spectating are good for. I'm going to withhold further comment unless requested to comment further by management.

-Kn1ght

 

[Shiblamo]

Just to clarify, I don't have a recording of this incident and I didn't witness anything, @Shimax and I being in Lola's room is completely unconnected to this.

 

[Stuvi]

Staff report denied due to missing reviewable evidence of misuse of administrative powers.

If you feel your ban is unjust, appeal it in the appropriate forum sub-section.