Mod banned me because I refused to comply with mugging in front of NPC

[Sun and Steel]

Your Steam Name: Sun and Steel
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:12029836
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Tom Evola


Admin being reported: (Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @Joey Skylynx


Reason for Report:

Basically, I turned the corner to the weed dealer ( from Cosmos street, where you make a left towards the weed dealer npc. I was facing the NPC) and someone says come with me. I turned around and a guy with a gun is there. Another guy runs up and zip ties me. I instantly make a report and stay where I am. The mod comes and says "it's in the alley, it's RPable" and leaves abruptly, he doesn't ask for any input from me or anything. I still refuse to comply and I ask for a different mod to give input. I make another report and he comes back and says I'm failrping etc.. And refuses to get another mod to give their opinion. I did this in hopes that the other mod would be familiar with the NPC rule. But not 10 seconds into the second report, he bans me for a week for failRP and that I was disrespecting him.

I don't intend to appeal this ban as I don't have plans on coming back to monolith at this point. In the past week, this happened and another mod teleported to our base while we were making barricades (unasked, he said it was an accident) and then 5 minutes later comes directly there to raid. He later apologized for what he did and I was told he would be talked to in the server's discord about it.

I've never had any issue with the higher up staff, they've been very mature and handled things well, I have a lot of respect for them and they've always been fair and helpful. However, it's clear that some of the mods should be corrected or shouldn't be mods. My issue is mainly this: 1) he instantly believed one side over the other without evidence or listening to the other side. 2) I told him if the second mod agreed with him, I would comply and continue roleplay. 3) He banned me for a week, which I would argue doesn't fit as a punishment for what I was accused of. (I'm not sure other mods would agree here or not, but I'm of the opinion that it wasn't even a serious enough offense for a week's ban)

I just want this to inform the community and staff to watch out for this mod. I've probably logged over 100 hours or more on monolith and I've never had any staff issues with my behavior, not even a warning. But after this I don't think I want to really be a part of this community any more. I'm ending my premium subscription as well.


Time of Occurrence: 1:50 AM, 17/7/2017.
Evidence to support your claim: I unfortunately didn't take screenshots or video, just as I was going to I was banned. I'm hoping that he has a video of the sit etc.. or will be honest and admit that I was near the NPC at the time of the mugging.

 

[Joey Skylynx]

The way the situation was told to me was that you walked to the NPC in order to claim it was there, while you were originally outside of the alleyway. This made sense because the logs were showing, was that you were zipped and walked and had multiple calls to you over chat to come back. When I told you to go with it, you demanded a second hearing, when I was the only non-AFK staff. So I said, it's fair game and just to RP it. I left to go get a guy out of prison, as he was bugged and dieing of thirst, and in that time you not only refused to go through with it, you outright were stating that you refused to do so until another mod became apparent.

We are not required to get multiple staff opinions on a case, unless it is something which directly requires it. This was clearly not one of those cases, and the situation at the time would of not allowed for it anyway. XO and Tyrome were both AFK at the time, I even stated this a few time to you, and you refused to hear me out on it.

 

[Justin The Ungrateful]

you demanded a second hearing, when I was the only non-AFK staff. So I said, it's fair game and just to RP it. I left to go get a guy out of prison, as he was bugged and dieing of thirst, and in that time you not only refused to go through with it, you outright were stating that you refused to do so until another mod became apparent.
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I'm sorry, but as a staff member, you are supposed to prevent players from breaking rules, not call it fair game because you cannot get a second hearing. When you see a problem, don't go by logs, but by both sides, In this case, you went strictly by logs without hearing both sides, which resulted in a false ban.

 

[Sun and Steel]

"because the logs were showing, was that you were zipped and walked"

Do logs show movement?

And actually, you said nothing about AFK staff or anything. You flat out refused.

I understand it's not a requirement to get another staff's opinion. But if one mod A) doesn't ask for your side of the story and only listens to the other side then teleports away and B) Doesn't appear to be aware of the NPC rule, look at it as if you were in that situation yourself. Wouldn't you feel like you'd want another mod's opinion?

I even said I was totally willing to comply if the next mod found me in the wrong as well. I had like a pistol and 1k on me, dude. I've been mugged like 8 times and complied every time I wasn't in front of an NPC. The one time I don't comply I'm in front of an NPC and I get banned for it. I'm sure the guys mugging me wouldn't mind waiting 5 minutes or so to get my gun and 1000 dollars, in the case the mod agreed with you. Instead you banned me without even listening to me. So yeah, you're right I flat out refused because I think any reasonable person in this situation would do the same. If this situation happened to a staff, the muggers would be reprimanded. I don't see how you expect me to comply when I'm just playing the game honestly and am banned for it.

Again, I just want the players to be informed (and the staff if they choose to trust me on this). My intention isn't to get you demoted or for this report to be "accepted".

The logs obviously don't tell the whole story. Someone was just unbanned recently because a staff used the logs to determine whether or not someone was breaking NLR. ( https://monolithservers.com/forums/threads/banned-for-nlr.2885/#post-16527 ) In my opinion, a reasonable mod in the situation i was in would either say this is a he-said, she-said situation unless there's solid evidence or they would see the close proximity I was to the npc (and use the logs as judgement of how much time had passed between the mugging or relative time of the mugging and the time the report was issued.) and determine it's highly probable I was being mugged in front of an NPC. In certain situations, the logs can tell enough information about a situation, this wasn't one of them. Regardless, I was restrained exactly where I made the report, I specifically stayed still there when i made the report, so I really don't believe your claim that i was ziptied and moved far enough to make you think I went to the npc to avoid getting mugged.

 

[Lola Meid]

@Stuvi @DevulTj @Dirty Harry

 

[Sun and Steel]

@Stuvi

Can I get your opinion on this, do you think a week long ban is justified in this circumstance? Not saying I was in the wrong (I still hold that I wasn't) but even if I were in the wrong here, isn't a week long ban a little crazy for this as a first offense? Can @Joey Skylynx be at least talked to about this?

 

[Gregory Lotus]

Locked for review.
@WhiteBlood

 

[Isla]

As no proof was provided for the situation I will not be taking action. However, I will keep this in mind in case of future reports.
Thanks for the report.