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Your Steam Name: jColborn
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:445364752
Your Character Name: Jimmy Jimson

Admin being reported: @HockeyExpert30

Reason for Report: Instantly banning me from an event for whacking ore against a wall. According to him, it can crash the server. Meanwhile, people were shooting and stabbing the GMs and he couldn't care less about them.
After kicking me from the event, he messed with the GMs by slaying Arroyo and slapping Alphadef twice.
Either you don't know what you're talking about, or you feel like it's your job to punish people who aren't acting normally. Either way, this was ridiculous. A simple "hey can you stop that?" and maybe a note 'told not to whack props into walls' would have done, but you decided to ban me from the entire event with no warning from yourself nor others.
And nice one-liner.

"This is the warning" *respawn* *hitmarker* *airhorns*
He also spread the word about my naughtiness, none of the other staff let me back, even after a round ended and they were letting others in.

Time of Occurrence: 9:10PM EST
Evidence to support your claim: https://i.gyazo.com/4b03e3d21b2ee691d7fceb1edda092ac.mp4

Additional members involved/witnessing: He flew me off into time-out land before anybody else noticed or cared.
Read, understood and followed staff report rules?: Yes
 
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As lead on the particular event in question, I feel like it is acceptable for me to weigh in on this. If I am out of line, I invite the CMs to let me know.

You were removed from the event and barred from returning due to you smacking the ore against the wall, as you yourself said. Events are made of large quantities of props and while we do our best to make sure everything is tightly secured before bringing people in, its much better safe than sorry, and prop pushing the walls will not be tolerated. This was especially relevant because the server had recently crashed and it was a miracle that the whole set up was still there in the first place.

As for him slapping me, I was afk on the phone at the time and I believe he was trying to get my attention because I didn't let anyone know that I did.

Its true that during events there tends to be a lot of minging. With how outnumbered we are it can sometimes be hard to catch everything. I can tell you for a fact that you were not the only person punished at that event. Regardless, just because someone else gets away with minging at an event does not mean you're allowed to.

As for "He also spread the word about my naughtiness, none of the other staff let me back, even after a round ended and they were letting others in.", he may be higher rank than me but as lead on that specific event I can (presumably, haven't needed to) overrule him. I made the decision to continue to have you barred from the event. I asked for his insight, but the decision was mine.
 

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"its much better safe than sorry, and prop pushing the walls will not be tolerated."
If the walls weren't frozen, they would have fallen over long before I got there. It's obvious that you came up with the idea that I was trying to knock over walls in retrospect to try to justify the ban. Anybody walking up against a wall would knock it over, and nobody in their right mind would see me wiggling the prop and think I'm trying to knock the walls over.

Hockey's explanation was that by slapping an ore against the wall, I was trying to (or could) crash the server. I don't have any idea how somebody could believe that, especially when I'm using hands to move it rather than the physgun. A single fire, ragdoll, or stationary car is immeasurably worse than wiggling a prop against frozen walls to the point where its effect on the server's performance is negligible. Wiggling a prop against a wall doesn't affect anybody unless it's making a ton of noise- which it wasn't.

"just because someone else gets away with minging at an event does not mean you're allowed to."
People weren't "getting away" with minging, staff were actively tolerating and even participating in the minging. Before the crash, somebody had shot one of the staff members to death. THIS IS FINE. Before the event starts when GMs are bringing people and setting peoples' colors, there's nothing to do. So people find something to do, often times on the sillier side. This doesn't disrupt the event so long as nobody dies, and most staff don't care about it; many join in. During this phase, it's reasonable (but not nice) to tell people to stop messing around. Barring somebody from the event for messing around before the set-up has started is ridiculous. Barring me from the event without warning because you consider this 'minging' is worse than doing so because you thought it would crash the server.


Hockey's way of speaking with his "customers" is disrespectful and accusatory. He makes it clear that he's made up his mind about the situation and that you've really fucked up. He instantly accused me of trying to crash the server and never asked nor considered another reason. I then told him that "I was whacking it to make noise. You think dropping 1 silver is gonna crash the server?" He didn't consider this at all, but said that yes, it can crash the server (it won't). I said that I would stop, and that he could warn me for it. Then he pulled the sickest staff one-liner of the year: "This is the warning" *ban* *airhorns*

1: Know what you're talking about before you hand out harsh punishments for it. If somebody refutes you, or you're not sure, ask somebody else.
2: Don't assume people's intent before getting their side of the story. ONLY say what they were doing- don't mention why you think they were doing it. Ex: "Why were you trying to crash the server?" vs "Why were you wiggling a prop against the wall?". Consider their response, THEN mention why you stopped them: "Well, did you know that can crash the server?"
 

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"its much better safe than sorry, and prop pushing the walls will not be tolerated."
If the walls weren't frozen, they would have fallen over long before I got there. It's obvious that you came up with the idea that I was trying to knock over walls in retrospect to try to justify the ban. Anybody walking up against a wall would knock it over, and nobody in their right mind would see me wiggling the prop and think I'm trying to knock the walls over.

Hockey's explanation was that by slapping an ore against the wall, I was trying to (or could) crash the server. I don't have any idea how somebody could believe that, especially when I'm using hands to move it rather than the physgun. A single fire, ragdoll, or stationary car is immeasurably worse than wiggling a prop against frozen walls to the point where its effect on the server's performance is negligible. Wiggling a prop against a wall doesn't affect anybody unless it's making a ton of noise- which it wasn't.
Just because the prop isn't frozen doesn't mean it will fall over. Props are also welded to each other, or sometimes even several props, which, if any of them are not frozen, amplifies the effects of them being pushed by anything (even just a single chunk held by hands). Again, presumably, the wall is frozen and won't react to your stone chunk but that is not something we want to risk being tested.

"just because someone else gets away with minging at an event does not mean you're allowed to."
People weren't "getting away" with minging, staff were actively tolerating and even participating in the minging. Before the crash, somebody had shot one of the staff members to death. THIS IS FINE. Before the event starts when GMs are bringing people and setting peoples' colors, there's nothing to do. So people find something to do, often times on the sillier side. This doesn't disrupt the event so long as nobody dies, and most staff don't care about it; many join in. During this phase, it's reasonable (but not nice) to tell people to stop messing around. Barring somebody from the event for messing around before the set-up has started is ridiculous. Barring me from the event without warning because you consider this 'minging' is worse than doing so because you thought it would crash the server.
With all due respect, you do not get to decide what silliness is and isn't allowed at my event. I don't mind people running around punching people and talking while we're getting things set up, but I do not tolerate shooting and messing around with props (either to climb, push, or otherwise minge with). The people who shot staff were already told if I caught someone doing it again they'd get a weapons BL and removed from the event. Whenever staff were getting out of hand I also told them to stop, and they did as well (well aside from slapping me when I was on the phone but again they were just trying to get my attention cause I suddenly left).

Hockey's way of speaking with his "customers" is disrespectful and accusatory. He makes it clear that he's made up his mind about the situation and that you've really fucked up. He instantly accused me of trying to crash the server and never asked nor considered another reason. I then told him that "I was whacking it to make noise. You think dropping 1 silver is gonna crash the server?" He didn't consider this at all, but said that yes, it can crash the server (it won't). I said that I would stop, and that he could warn me for it. Then he pulled the sickest staff one-liner of the year: "This is the warning" *ban* *airhorns*
A silver chunk in the wrong place can do a lot more damage than you seem to understand.
 

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As I said, it's fine for you/Hockey to stop silliness and shenanigans that might break something. In all of the cases you showed, you TOLD people to stop and threatened them with punishment if they didn't, and then presumably they stopped and all was well.

Hockey for some reason decided that me trying to make some noise by whacking a small prop against a wall, much like vaping or punching would, was unacceptable. I think it's because he jumped to the conclusion that I was trying to crash the server and wasn't willing to accept any other reason, but I'd like his input on that. A warning, such as telling me not to mess with props in events, would have solved the issue just fine without excluding me from your event, which sounded pretty fun and at least a third of the server was participating in.
I'm not saying that you should be allowed to mess around with props in an event. Different GMs have different expectations of the participants, but until it's clear how much they're willing to tolerate they shouldn't jump to severe punishments.

A silver chunk in the wrong place can do a lot more damage than you seem to understand.
A small, light prop will do nothing to frozen props. It's expected that the event builder built it properly- it's not my fault if you didn't. Even if it had only been welded (strongly) rather than frozen, I doubt it would do anything other than nudge it a tiny amount. Keep in mind that I was using the grabbing mechanic with hands- not a physgun.

Please let Hockey give his side. This isn't about you, it only concerns your event. Unless he asked you what to do with me, or you told him to ban me, he acted independently from your reasonings.
 

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Hello,

Thank you for your report. After looking over your description, Alphadef's input on the topic, and discussing with @HockeyExpert30 privately, I don't see an abuse of power from Hockey in this situation. The evidence attached does not show any interaction with Hockey and instead is simply a clip of what you got kicked from the event for. Regardless, I'll give some points:

Events are a privilege, put on by staff in their free time. If you are breaking rules in an event you are subject to removal. Alphadef said it aptly here;
Its true that during events there tends to be a lot of minging. With how outnumbered we are it can sometimes be hard to catch everything. I can tell you for a fact that you were not the only person punished at that event. Regardless, just because someone else gets away with minging at an event does not mean you're allowed to.
If you see rulebreaks from your fellow players that are impeding on the event please don't hesitate to report it. We do our best to keep them running smoothly.

As for the slapping and slaying of other staff members during an event, you have no context from your point of view of what was happening behind the scenes. There could always very well be a reason a player or staff member is slayed in an event. As for slapping, it's a harmless admin command that is used between staff to joke around. This is not a misuse of power.

Staff report denied.

-Melody
 
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