Arroyo Staff Report

[tone]

Your Steam Name: Tony Ravioli
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:35214932
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Tony Ravioli

Admin being reported @Arroyo

Reason for Report: Consistently bringing people out of RP without voiding/refunding/pausing the situation. This wouldn't be so much of an issue if we don't die from it happening. Notice right when he pulls Wolf at the bank raid, a cop pushes and kills me. This is really hurting our RP experience massively and has been an issue for not only just us 3 but many others.
Time of Occurrence: around 10pm est today and maybe 2 days ago for a different situation
Evidence to support your claim: (keep in mind we are aware that our mic audio isn't being picked up but we have footage from both perspectives so you can hear both sides when it was happening) https://streamable.com/ukknhe (wolf pov)
https://streamable.com/jwtqaj (my pov)
https://streamable.com/j3a41f (simon pov)

Additional members involved/witnessing: @misterjokeman @Simon Mikael
Read, understood and followed staff report rules?: Yes

 

[Deleted member 12627]

This is more of a daily re-occurring thing that seems to only happen with this staff member sadly.
Also teleporting someone instead of pausing the raid is a joke

 

[Arroyo]

Hello there! As you can see in the videos I indeed interfered in roleplay, which is not against the rules. A staff member is allowed to interfere with roleplay when they deem a rule break has been committed affecting other people's roleplay, in all these cases it can be explained.

https://streamable.com/ukknhe (wolf pov)
https://streamable.com/jwtqaj (my pov)

I was not there for the entire bank raid as I was taking reports but I noticed one was occurring, while spectating the bank raid I noticed that @misterjokeman was using a well-known headglitch to his advantage. I did not immediately move him (as your video does not show my PMs), instead I pmed him 3 times telling him not to abuse the headglitch spot (which he acknowledged). He went again and used the headglitch to which I tell him to move from the spot when he gets a chance, he says he is not going to risk losing HP because of my needs, take into account there was only 1 cop here so I went ahead and teleported him behind cover while 2 other bank raiders watched the stairwells. That 1 cop (Mazen), pushed after I teleported him in which all 3 of you guys easily countered which did not affect the raid. The reason tony died was due to the fact he was in no cover and he started to shoot at a wall instead of looking outside the door. He was also got revived during the bank raid and continued, bank raiders eventually failed after dying outside of the bank. I have a video in which it shows a couple of minutes after I started spectating, this will be up to the person taking the report.

https://streamable.com/j3a41f (simon pov)

As you can see in the video, a rule break had occurred in which you guys mugged someone in the oceanview lobby (which is not allowed). After the rule break occurred I started the process of freezing you guys so I may deal with it and you can also see I froze the lonely cop. The reason I did not announce *PAUSE OCEANVIEW SHOOTOUT* was due to the fact of if I did announce it then the whole PD would magically show up. I dealt with the rule break and when ahead and unfroze you guys but you guys also did not show the aftermath of when I unfroze you guys. After I unfroze you guys I went and had a talk to the 1 cop about the situation, he asked me if he could shoot you guys and I said continue your roleplay. He did not immediately shoot you after getting unfrozen, he pulled up and you guys started shooting him. More cops pulled up and a shootout started which resulted in which if I remember only @misterjokeman died.

This is more of a daily re-occurring thing that seems to only happen with this staff member sadly.
Also teleporting someone instead of pausing the raid is a joke

Daily as a staff member, I have to deal with people breaking rules, I use my best judgment to go ahead and deal with said rulebreaks so people may have a fun experience. I have good and bad experiences with many members of the community. Especially since out of the 30 something threats of being staff reported this is only my first, if you wish to see less of me then the best course of action is to try not to break the rules.

 

[misterjokeman]

Daily as a staff member, I have to deal with people breaking rules, I use my best judgment to go ahead and deal with said rulebreaks so people may have a fun experience. I have good and bad experiences with many members of the community. Especially since out of the 30 something threats of being staff reported this is only my first, if you wish to see less of me then the best course of action is to try not to break the rules.

This could however be the case if you did not go out of your way to involve yourself purposefully in situations that I take part in and disrupt roleplay by freezing everyone involved and failing to acknowledge the repercussions. Imagine being that self centered that you're willing to actively destroy a roleplay situation and expect to press the "play" button and expect people not to get mad. I haven't seen you have this sort of behavior with anyone else so I'm really curious as to what your overall agenda is .

 

[Deleted member 12627]

As you can see in the video, a rule break had occurred in which you guys mugged someone in the oceanview lobby (which is not allowed).

1. You may not mug or kidnap in crowded places or near any NPCs, criminal or regular - you must do it in less populated and less exposed areas. This may not be in front of an NPC and/or governmental buildings such as the Police Department, Sheriff's Department, Hospital, Fire Department, City Hall, and the Bank.

If it is a rulebreak, then which part of the rule are we breaking exactly. Oceanview is a private complex. I also asked 2 other staff members if Oceanview's lobby was considered not public, and out of view of any NPC's. They replied it was private like the casino parking lot. So I'm confused.

 

[Arroyo]

1. You may not mug or kidnap in crowded places or near any NPCs, criminal or regular - you must do it in less populated and less exposed areas. This may not be in front of an NPC and/or governmental buildings such as the Police Department, Sheriff's Department, Hospital, Fire Department, City Hall, and the Bank.

If it is a rulebreak, then which part of the rule are we breaking exactly. Oceanview is a private complex. I also asked 2 other staff members if Oceanview's lobby was considered not public, and out of view of any NPC's. They replied it was private like the casino parking lot. So I'm confused.

I have had asked higher-ups about this same thing, the thing is this is right next to the police department so no mugging should be allowed. Trust me, I asked before intervening.

This could however be the case if you did not go out of your way to involve yourself purposefully in situations that I take part in and disrupt roleplay by freezing everyone involved and failing to acknowledge the repercussions. Imagine being that self centered that you're willing to actively destroy a roleplay situation and expect to press the "play" button and expect people not to get mad. I haven't seen you have this sort of behavior with anyone else so I'm really curious as to what your overall agenda is .

I get accused of player targeting a lot, the problem is I am just everywhere and I notice everything. In which other staff members can literally see me flying everywhere and to everyone not just to one person. I just tend to notice everything, in which I also do record most of my staff duties.

 

[Deleted member 12627]

Trust me, I asked before intervening.

Can I ask who you asked because the rule clearly states below


in front of an NPC and/or governmental buildings such as the Police Department, Sheriff's Department, Hospital, Fire Department, City Hall, and the Bank.

Not near them, shit I could mug someone in the alley next to PD if I wanted to. This is kind of a stupid excuse, because the alley next to and in front of PD is considered a muggle spot even though it's right across the road. So you and multiple other staff are really throwing me mixed messages here.

 

[tone]

I teleported him in which all 3 of you guys easily countered which did not affect the raid.

Okay so us wasting meds because you decided to pull someone from a holding position doesn't affect our raid? I only died because I started shooting a wall? No, I died because you pulled someone out of view of the entire push that 1 officer made and I was given zero covering fire due to this.

 

[Arroyo]

Can I asked who you asked because the rule clearly states below


in front of an NPC and/or governmental buildings such as the Police Department, Sheriff's Department, Hospital, Fire Department, City Hall, and the Bank.

Not near them, shit I could mug someone in the alley next to PD if I wanted to. This is kind of a stupid excuse, because the alley next to and in front of PD is considered a muggle spot even though it's right across the road. So you and multiple other staff are really throwing me mixed messages here.

I asked PMX, Hockey, anyone else who was online at the time

 

[tone]

He was also got revived during the bank raid and continued, bank raiders eventually failed after dying outside of the bank.

"didn't affect the raid" I was revived by wolf right after this and wolf ended up dying at the top. IF that didn't affect anything, then I would have been able to use the adrenaline and CPR that wolf had to revive him instead of him wasting it on reviving me because of your own mistake.

 

[misterjokeman]

You keep resorting to the inconceivable notion that your actions do not affect the RP situations that you interfere with. I'm not sure where this come from but you need to start taking accountability for your actions. You mess with the RP situation people WILL get affected by it. Every time you interfere your only excuse when confronted is, "It didn't affect the situation." In which it very much does every time you decide to teleport or freeze a massive group of people mid shootout. I hope you at least get a talking to to ensure you get this false mindset out of your head.

 

[Weedle]

I was not mentioned in this but I was involved in Simons POV video of them mugging me in the Oceanview building. I was not going to report them for this since truly I didn't care for the m4 I trusted Simon to give it back, but I do feel like them grubbing and freezing everyone there was maybe not the best idea and should of been handled at a later time, not in the middle of the shootout. I just gave my opinion since this was slightly involving me.

 

[Thanewolfe]

Under review.

 

[Thanewolfe]

Hello,

Thank you for your report. I would like to address both situations in this report.
The first situation it would appear that you are upset that Arroyo interfered with a mugging, I would like to clarify a few things. The lobby of the Oceanview apartments nearest to the Police Department would NOT be considered "less exposed" in accordance to our rules. Furthermore, it would be considered "Cop Baiting" to allow muggings to occur in that location, as it is just around the corner from the Police Department. In an RP context, mugging someone in a lobby of a building such as Oceanview wouldn't be the most ideal place to commit such a crime, considering there would most likely be cameras, security, staff, etc. It was well within Arroyo's rights to interfere with such a situation and stop the RP, so long as a rule break has been committed. Arroyo also did his due diligence by confirming with higher staff online about whether or not it was acceptable to intervene. As far as that situation is concerned, I do not see any issues with Arroyo's conduct, nor do I see any violations of internal staff policy.

As far as the second situation is concerned, it goes both ways, abusing the spot to gain an advantage in a combat related RP scenario is grounds for removal from said scenario. I believe that Arroyo exercised reasonable caution before resorting to teleporting the abusing player away from the spot, I also believe they were given ample warning. As far as "best practice" in such cases, it would be best to pause the raid and allow both parties the chance at a fair battle. However, when someone abuses a spot such as the one seen in the video, it affords an unfair edge in the battle. The Police who died as a result of said abuse definitely had their RP affected negatively, which is why I say it goes both ways. It is important for staff to act quickly in these scenarios as any stalling could result in more problems, plus a litany of complaints. Because I don't see any violations of staff policy, nor any misconduct or abuse of staff powers I will be concluding this report. Moving forward, I am advising Arroyo to call for a pause in such scenarios as the one shown in the video.

Staff report concluded.

Thanewolfe.