Jimmy Jimson

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I've seen many bank robberies with hostages through my time on Monolith. Most of them fail. Negotiations don't go well because almost all robberies ask that the hostage rides in the same car as the robbers, which causes police to either refuse the demands, or cause the robbers to get their guns taken off the hostage after getting into the car. None of them have used the idea I'm about to present.
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Hostage Holders/Captors: 2-3
Robbers/Carriers: 1-2 (Falcon Creek/gas station only needs 1, layer 1 bank might need multiple)
Hostages: 1 (having multiple only makes the situation more complex, keep it simple.)

Roles:
Should be armed with a cheap pistol. Their job is to keep 2 guns on the hostage at all times, and negotiate at the same time. During the situation, it's imperative that the captors refuse to move themselves or the hostage anywhere, and also refrain from looking away from the hostage for any reason. An ideal place to stay is using the hostage to body-block a doorway. Additionally, they need to be ready to kill the hostage with headshots should the police ignore requests and compromise the carriers.
The negotiator is one of the captors. They are tasked with laying out the demands, yelling at police when they're broken, and acting like they're in charge of the situation.
The listener is charged entirely with listening to the Carriers. After the carriers have left, the Listener must maintain constant radio contact with the carriers, asking them a question or confirmation that they're still fine often. They also need to keep their comms clear, and pay attention to any radio calls from the carriers, as the negotiator may be busy talking to police. The listener needs to tell the Negotiator of any breaches in demands as well, so the Negotiator can yell at the police.
The carriers should have drills, lockpicks, and large bags. They should be unarmed. Their job is to lockpick everything & man the drills, and then wait for negotiations to finish, and then simply drive off to the casino with the money. Once negotiations have finished, they must maintain radio contact with the Captors and relay any danger police present to them.
Demands:
-The carriers must be allowed to move freely to the casino. They will be in constant radio contact with the captors, so if they stop responding to the captor's questions or report that they've been shot at or stopped, the captors will kill the hostage.
-The carrier's vehicle must be unclamped.
-Tell the police that the carriers are unarmed, even if they're armed. (If you decided to arm your carriers, ensure that the weapons aren't visible and the police don't know. This is to discourage a code-red on the carriers, increasing their chances of escape.)
-Only 1 police officer can be in the vault, or wherever you kept the hostage, at a time. Additionally, no police may have weapons drawn while in sight of the hostage/captors. Treat this demand VERY seriously. If multiple police are near the captors, they may try shooting both of the captors.
Aggressive negotiations are about providing the Carriers a greater chance to escape after cashing in the bags. They are, however, more likely to be ignored. Additions to the base demands are as follows:
-Police may not follow the carriers.
-No spike strips (duh)
-No police may be in sight of Casino when the Carriers arrive.
-Instead of carriers giving the all clear after cashing in the bags, they do it once they've escaped from any police pursuit.
Soft demands are almost certain to work, however they guarantee that the Carriers are caught. In this version, you encourage police to follow the Carriers all the way to casino, but make sure that they don't interfere. If you want to see how far you can go with them, go ahead and ask the police to let the carriers ride in the back of one of their cruisers to casino! Just ensure that radio contact is maintained, and the carriers only tell the captors that it's over once they have cashed in the bags. Once they've cashed in the bags, they surrender and get arrested.
**It should be noted that it's perfectly fine for there to be a ton of police in bank when the captors are leaving. As long as they don't interfere with them, which they shouldn't, it's fine. Asking that all police leave causes loads of confusion, disobeying orders, and worse, many police will leave just to go camp at Casino.**

Ideal Sequence of Events:
1) Captors take a hostage down to their holding position.
2) Carriers put in drills & begin lockpicking.
3) Captors put out an advertisement stating that they have a hostage, and to have 1 negotiator (preferably lieutenant+) come down. (This may come before step 2 if police show up first)
4) While Carriers continue lockpicking, the designated negotiator lays out demands and answers any questions. They need to ensure that the entire PD knows their demands and how it's going to work.
5) Once both the Carriers have their bags loaded, and the Captors have finished negotiations, the carriers and captors ensure that their radios are working correctly.
6) Carriers walk out of bank and make their way to Casino. While doing so, they must keep in constant contact with the captors.
7) After carriers cash in their bags, they give the captors an all clear (unless doing aggressive demands). The carriers either attempt to flee, start a shootout, or surrender, while the captors either surrender, of start a shootout. Starting a shootout in this situation can get you in trouble if you do certain things, so here's how it should go:
-Release the hostage, and ask the negotiator to drag the hostage away.
-While the negotiator is dragging the hostage away, fire off shots near the negotiator/hostage. MAKE SURE THAT THEY AREN'T HIT BY ANY SHOTS, THOUGH.
-Once the negotiator and hostage have left and are safe, continue the shootout the way you would continue any shootout. Your intent should be on exiting & escaping bank.

If demands aren't followed:
Generally, use your own best judgement on if you need to shoot the hostage or not. There will always be that one officer who keeps running up behind the negotiator after being told to leave multiple times, and there's no need to ruin the robbery over something like that. However, if any of the following happen, you need to shoot the hostage immediately:
-Carriers report being shot at, arrested, or being followed by a police car after multiple demands to stop.
-The negotiator purposely pulls out a gun after told not to (you're about to get headshot).
-Somebody begins dragging the hostage away from you without your permission.
 
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Good idea. But mostly the cops expect the hostage out after the first 15 seconds of the others leaving. Causing a casino shootout after. We did this once a little while ago, it was....... interesting? 2 of our men went to eat dinner, I watched youtube and the cops camped stairs. We died.
 

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The focus of the police should be primarily to keep the hostage safe, but also to arrest the robbers. This plan almost garuntees that the robbers are caught, and there's never a chance for the robbers to keep the hostage. The part where negotiations crash and burn is when the robbers want the hostage to go in the same car as them, and don't want police to follow their car. If those negotiations ever work, it means that the hostage takers can easily just not drop off the hostage, and keep them, which police can't allow. Most of the time, when those demands are accepted, 1) some cop ambushes and shoots the hostage takers, or 2) when the hostage takers leave, somebody either thinks they dropped the hostage off already, or didn't know the hostage was in the car, and just light up the car.

This plan should prevent such confusions and make a deal police would be willing to accept because the hostage is always under police supervision & control, and the carrier's shouldn't be intercepted because they're unarmed and shooting them results in the hostage's death, even if the police manage to kill all of the carriers. This is different from the normal style, where all of the robbers and the hostage hop in one car and flee, because if police manage to kill or knock out all of the robbers while they're in the car, then there's nobody left to shoot the hostage (however, most of the time when this happens, police end up shooting the hostage themselves so it doesn't really matter)
 

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This is a very well-thought plan for a hostage situation. I will, however, give my personal opinion as a player:

If everything goes to plan, the criminals will cash out the money, put it in their bank account after a while and there's nothing the Police can do. Nothing. Once it's in their bank.

The Police will simply not allow it. It's unfair. This won't work out. After having experienced many boring and repetitive bank heists in which the robbers mainly only want to shoot some cops, this feels like a breath of fresh air, but still...

PD won't allow anyone to leave the bank if the hostage is inside and still in danger. And, honestly, I understand why.
 

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@Apecengo I think the issue happens when the robbers try to leave bank WITH the hostage. When the hostage is in a robber's car, it's easy to say that there aren't guns pointed at them anymore and just light up the car, but also, police can't confirm the hostage's safety if they don't know where they are, and they're in a car. That's why you simply don't put the hostage in a car. A few robbers leaving the bank doesn't compromise hostage safety, as the negotiator will still be with the hostage and the bank would probably still be swarming with officers. As a police-main myself, I wouldn't see an issue with that- letting some of the robbers get the money in exchange for not having to deal with having the hostage put into a robber's car.

If I can get a hold of enough people, I'll probably try it out soon, but I don't have many friends :(
 

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This is a very well-thought plan for a hostage situation. I will, however, give my personal opinion as a player:

If everything goes to plan, the criminals will cash out the money, put it in their bank account after a while and there's nothing the Police can do. Nothing. Once it's in their bank.

The Police will simply not allow it. It's unfair. This won't work out. After having experienced many boring and repetitive bank heists in which the robbers mainly only want to shoot some cops, this feels like a breath of fresh air, but still...

PD won't allow anyone to leave the bank if the hostage is inside and still in danger. And, honestly, I understand why.
My group and I raid the layer 2 bank based on this plan yesterday. Negotiations persisted until the end, we managed to secure the money, the hostage was ordered to get into our car and luckily the police did nothing. After all, 2 of the 5 robbers were arrested for 60 minutes, and we stole an total amount around 85k. One of those arrested ended up "helping" the others to escape, cause he attracted the police's attention to him.

I mean that it is impossible for robbers to escape with money and not be arrested. To be able to secure the money it is necessary to make sacrifices and be aware that everyone can be arrested after the theft. So, I don't think it is unfair, quite the contrary, it is with the sacrifice of the members of the theft that the money can be secured and everyone can win.
 

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My group and I raid the layer 2 bank based on this plan yesterday. Negotiations persisted until the end, we managed to secure the money, the hostage was ordered to get into our car and luckily the police did nothing. After all, 2 of the 5 robbers were arrested for 60 minutes, and we stole an total amount around 85k. One of those arrested ended up "helping" the others to escape, cause he attracted the police's attention to him.

I mean that it is impossible for robbers to escape with money and not be arrested. To be able to secure the money it is necessary to make sacrifices and be aware that everyone can be arrested after the theft. So, I don't think it is unfair, quite the contrary, it is with the sacrifice of the members of the theft that the money can be secured and everyone can win.
I was the SWAT dude that arrested you. Our negotiator was terrible. He didn't tell us anything about the plan until you guys were already leaving the bank, and for some reason agreed to let you guys drive off with the hostage even though I yelled at him not to. By the time your boys drove off with the hostage, there were only like 3-4 cops in Pine County and nobody followed. Y'all got wayyyy to much out of the plan because of our negotiator, but good on y'all I guess. Good job
 
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