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Your Steam Name: Frost
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:85656506
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Jack Mikael

Admin being reported( Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @dubsmaster

Reason for Report: I would like to begin by referencing the following thread: https://monolithservers.com/forums/threads/a-request-for-clarification.34566/
Now. I was in a situation with my org for a while and had left my base unattended for some time. Apparently, at that time, I was raided. After wrapping things up with the org, I returned to my base (Panatlantic Warehouse) to see an unfamiliar car inside my gate and my main door open. I (of course) took my gun out and ran over to the warehouse. As I arrived, there was a man running out of my door. I shot him before he made it out, but that isn't my point. From my perspective, this man just raided me, and surely cleared my mining equipment. (but dubs said he wasn't raiding me because he didn't lockpick anything, as apparently, it was someone else who raided me and this dude was just seeing if anything was left) Him being a raider, I assumed that he broke into my factory with a gun to rob or kill me. I killed him, and that was that. Then, dubsmaster brought me to a sit with this person. I received a warning point for RDM. I do not understand. In what world can I not shoot an intruder on my property? Dubsmaster stated that because the man was unarmed, I had no right. He also said that this game isn't the real world, it is a gmod server. Obviously, I understand this, but, correct me if I'm wrong: this is supposed to be a server that you PLAY THE ROLE of a cop/criminal/etc.

Now. I understand that a factory is not a home, but in the case of this server, it basically is. I had no way of knowing whether or not this dude was armed, but who the fuck raids without a gun? He was basically baiting an RDM (and really running into a base like this which has clearly been raided should be ftvl). This was the rule cited to warn me: 4. Attacking to kill should be carried out sensibly and not as a first resort unless you have a good reason for immediate lethal action. My attack to kill this man was not a first resort, it was a last. My first resort would be to defend my home from the raid, second would be to call my org for backup. This dude could've been holding a pistol in his hands, it was dark and he was running so I had no way of knowing. I also think a good reason for immediate lethal action is A MAN BREAKING INTO MY FACTORY PRESUMABLY ARMED AND PRESUMABLY STEALING FROM ME. Idk man. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but I think this warning point is invalid and dubsmaster should be re-educated on the rules. If he did nothing wrong then the rules need to be rewritten for this, because it is honestly ridiculous.

Time of Occurrence: 11/6 (not sure on the time)
Evidence to support your claim: I have none, I guess if he lies it just invalidates my confidence in the staff team.

Additional members involved/witnessing: Death Merchant was the reporting party but he isn't directly involved for this report.
Read, understood and followed staff report rules?: Yes


p.s.: sorry man I honestly like you but I think this was a bad judgement call on your part, and I don't want to be held accountable.

p.p.s.: excuse my impeccable writing skills and outstanding argument structure, this advanced writing course just has me some type of way.
 

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Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I was unaware that CM's had already clarified that you may shot someone trespassing on your property no matter what.
(but dubs said he wasn't raiding me because he didn't lockpick anything, as apparently, it was someone else who raided me and this dude was just seeing if anything was left)
Remember, I did in the end classify it as a raid and I said he was on timer. A raid starts the moment someone enters another players property without their knowledge and with the intent to rob them
If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but I think this warning point is invalid and dubsmaster should be re-educated on the rules.
I think this is a bit much. I never made up my own rules nor did I ignore any. No where is it stated in the rules that you may shoot someone on your property. I was going based off the rule where you must kill as a last resort. Death Merchant made a decent point and saying he was no threat and simply walking around. You had to find a forum post to back up your argument. Forgive me for not reading every post that a CM's replies to, especially considering it was just clarified today.

All and all yes I think the WP should be removed now that a CM's has shined some light on the situation. I apologize for any inconvenience.
 

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Remember, I did in the end classify it as a raid and I said he was on timer. A raid starts the moment someone enters another players property without their knowledge and with the intent to rob them
I do not remember this for some reason I thought you voided his timer that's my bad.
I think this is a bit much. I never made up my own rules nor did I ignore any. No where is it stated in the rules that you may shoot someone on your property. I was going based off the rule where you must kill as a last resort. Death Merchant made a decent point and saying he was no threat and simply walking around. You had to find a forum post to back up your argument. Forgive me for not reading every post that a CM's replies to, especially considering it was just clarified today.
I didn't mean how this sounds it sounded way worse. I really just wanted you to be told about the clarification but it seems you are now. Yes I know it wasn't made til today and if you read it was really made based off of this situation so that is not your fault. As long as we are clear and I can get this WP removed I have no other problems with you.
All and all yes I think the WP should be removed now that a CM's has shined some light on the situation. I apologize for any inconvenience.
preciate you
 

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Hello,

In this case, you were allowed to shoot the person, since you saw them in your property and you had a valid reason to believe they were robbing/raiding it.

The warning point will be removed. No further actions required.
Staff report concluded.
 
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