Wrongful Ban

[Tyro]

Your Steam Name: Horrendous Chyka
Your Steam ID:STEAM_1:1:79566617
Your Character Name:Tyro Snow

Ban Length:1 day
Banning Staff Member (@AdminName to mention the staff member) @QuickSilver1937 @Valentino Meid
Ban Reason:Cop Baiting
Time of Occurrence:10:00 Eastern
Relevant Evidence: (currently have a whole video of what happened waiting for it to be edited and uploaded)
Additional members involved/witnessing: @[Snow] Tyler @Jack Everadon

After A shell raid Me Jack and Tyler had illegal guns on our backs and my car was badly damaged so we proceeded to steal a cop car at the time we still had the illegal weapons on our backs and didn't want to walk around with them on our backs so Jack Proceeded to lock pick and steal a police car which was abandoned in the middle of the road at the time. We drive around in the cop car for about 5 minutes waiting for our car to respawn so we can use that instead of the police car we had no intention of attracting cops and there were none around at the time stealing the police car was mainly just to have a car to utilize until we could get one of our cars back after passing by bank 2 officers noticed we weren't cops and the car was stolen through the windshield and yelled "STOP THE CAR!" and then proceeded to chase us soon multiple cops were chasing us and the pursuit lasted around 3 to 4 minutes with no way of shaking them and illegal guns on our backs we went to Richards 10 and began to open fire as our way of escaping the heat. During the middle of the shootout Joshua Wong physguns us and rips us out of the house will sticking us in fire and getting us to take damage during the middle of gunfire he then proceeds to without asking us any questions or giving any explanation on why we were ripped out of the house and frozen in the middle of RP he sais "You guys were cop baiting and Pea is coming to ban you" Quicksilver Pea and Joshua arrive during the sit we explain to them multiple times that we weren't cop baiting and asked who reported us without any explanation they just ignored everything we were saying and didn't take anything we said into consideration then just sat there in silence they then said they got a opinion from Valentino that they are gonna ban us saying that "You stole the cop car and used it improperly and just drove around in it" still not stating any reason why that applies to cop baiting after we already explained what we were doing in detail and why it wasn't cop baiting they again ignored everything we said and just sat in silence for about another 10 minutes and then said that's what Valentino's opinion was (without asking any other staff after we asked them to) I think the whole admin sit was completely un professional and didn't take anything we said into consideration not to mention all of the staff that were on (4 Mods) were all newer and hadn't had much experience (Pea was still on his first day on Mod) They just banned us off of opinion without listening to us at all which is why i think the whole ban was improper.

 

[Valentino]

Hello @Horrendous Gaming , I got told that you guys were driving around in a stolen police crown vic just so the police started following you guys and you could kill them. In the video that Jack posted you can see you guys stopping at red warehouse, why did you stop at red warehouse if I may ask? Because it looks like you guys did that solely so the police could catch up to you? And the "cop baiting" rule isn't specified in the rules that's true but I consider it as failRP because it just doesn't make sense to steal a police car so the cops can chase you and you can kill them. I understand that you could have stolen a police car for getaway but there is weirdly no video of you guys doing a shell raid before and if you guys did a shell raid why would jack's video start with you guys driving at bank? also it just doesn't make sense why you guys would wait at red warehouse and drive around at supermarket and not going to r10 right after stealing the cop car.

Kind regards,
Valentino

 

[Tyro]

Hello @Horrendous Gaming , I got told that you guys were driving around in a stolen police crown vic just so the police started following you guys and you could kill them. In the video that Jack posted you can see you guys stopping at red warehouse, why did you stop at red warehouse if I may ask? Because it looks like you guys did that solely so the police could catch up to you? And the "cop baiting" rule isn't specified in the rules that's true but I consider it as failRP because it just doesn't make sense to steal a police car so the cops can chase you and you can kill them. I understand that you could have stolen a police car for getaway but there is weirdly no video of you guys doing a shell raid before and if you guys did a shell raid why would jack's video start with you guys driving at bank? also it just doesn't make sense why you guys would wait at red warehouse and drive around at supermarket and not going to r10 right after stealing the cop car.

Kind regards,
Valentino

I’m not quite sure why they stopped at red warehouse as I was not the one driving and I admit we shouldn’t have don’t that but the fact is I still don't see it as cop baiting and the main problem I have is how they handled the sit they just ripped us out the house during a active gun fight and then just said we’re gonna get banned then going comepletely silent for 10 minutes And completely ignoring what we had to say which not only is it disrespectful but also unprofessional I feel the that whole situation in itself was confusing and a big misunderstand.

 

[[Snow] Tyler]

I had to reload my gun

 

[QuickSilver1937]

@[Snow] Tyler (can't tag you for some reason) you and your friends were banned for Fail RP/Cop Bating. My reasoning behind this were for the reasons other staff provided above and for the reason you and your friends were being chased by cops, and when you were out of the cops sight, you decided to turn around and head back towards them, knowing that they were there. In the video Jack Everdon provided, one of you says clearly that there was a cop behind you and you guys decided to head towards them with the intent for them to chase you to 10 Richard Drive, and then kill them. That is cop baiting and like I said, the parts the staff said above were also reasons to why you were banned. Me, and the other staff talked it over for a while and that was the final verdict that we all came to. You guys also didn't really care while getting banned with you saying "I'm already white listed for Silverlake, I don't care" and your friend Tyro for saying "this server is dying". In my opinion this was valid and was a more than reasonable amount of time for your ban. A one day ban for all of you is good for you to read over the rules, and to truly understand your punishment.

 

[Tyro]

@[Snow] Tyler (can't tag you for some reason) you and your friends were banned for Fail RP/Cop Bating. My reasoning behind this were for the reasons other staff provided above and for the reason you and your friends were being chased by cops, and when you were out of the cops sight, you decided to turn around and head back towards them, knowing that they were there. In the video Jack Everdon provided, one of you says clearly that there was a cop behind you and you guys decided to head towards them with the intent for them to chase you to 10 Richard Drive, and then kill them. That is cop baiting and like I said, the parts the staff said above were also reasons to why you were banned. Me, and the other staff talked it over for a while and that was the final verdict that we all came to. You guys also didn't really care while getting banned with you saying "I'm already white listed for Silverlake, I don't care" and your friend Tyro for saying "this server is dying". In my opinion this was valid and was a more than reasonable amount of time for your ban. A one day ban for all of you is good for you to read over the rules, and to truly understand your punishment.

The fact of the matter is its no longer cop baiting if they began to chase you were as seen at the start of the video we were driving by not seeking any trouble and a cop saw us and YELLED "Stop the Vehicle!" that's when the whole situation began unless the rule has changed cop baiting does not apply unless you got the cops to chase you first via either a /911 call or enticing them to chase you which we did not i understand that Jack shouldn't have stopped and turned towards them but that still can't be considered cop baiting if the whole situation began with them starting it also the fact that you didn't mention in the sit at all about us doing that until you saw the video lacking even more evidence for a ban i'm not questioning your abilities as a admin and i don't mean this in any mean way but i feel the ban was completely off of opinion instead of facts and citing the rules.

Also i would like to address yes some not so nice words were exchanged and for that i apologize it had been a long night and we were all worked up and i'm sure they didn't mean what they said as i did not but never the less i don't believe the ban was handed out in a professional way due to a lack of evidence and ignoring what we had to say as you can see in the video but anyway if a higher up would confirm on how exactly the cop baiting rule stands i would be glad to drop the whole appeal.

 

[Tyro]

Since no response was given before my unban you can go ahead and close the post

 

[Ali]

Ban expired. Locked/moved.