PR- AYO CHILL

[The Antagonist]

Your Steam Name: The Antagonist
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:225952476
Your Character Name: Will John

Target Steam Name: Doom Guy
Target SteamID: STEAM_0:0:534029976
Target Character Name (if known): Tyler Gard

Request Reason: The others and I had done no prior actions to this shooting, Tyler Gard shot at us just for "threatening" the tow truck driver and never attempted to defuse the situation. Again, he did not have any reason to code red us as I recall, we did not engage in any combat beforehand, and he most likely shot at us because he was hungry for kills.
When did the situation occur?: 1:01 AM ish? EST May 7th, 2022
Your evidence to support your claim: Evidence #1
Additional members involved/witnessing: Tommy Young, Terry Mcdonald, Samuel Keem
Read, understood and followed player report rules?: Yes

 

[Doom Guy]

After talking with 3 supervisors and 2 staff members with their opinion on the video on my POV (which is the same as his evidence)





These statements and also some look at the Rules your friend Tommy young was pointing a weapon at a towtruck driver

which would fall under
[5.2.1.1] "Law Enforcement may only use deadly force when the situation requires the protection of themselves or others. For example, if a person is threatening your life, you may use your weapon in self-defense."

Allowing me to shoot you which would make these kills justified

if you think me killing you and your friend is RDM its not you had shot at me which would allow me to shoot you and your other friend had also shot me allowing me to shoot him

 

[herg]

"if you think me killing you and your friend is RDM its not you had shot at me which would allow me to shoot you and your other friend had also shot me allowing me to shoot him"
This makes no sense as you can see in the video you opened fire first without us firing a single shot towards anyone else so us shooting at you wouldn't matter because if you actually knew what to do as an officer (which would be go up to the situation, tell the suspect to put the gun down and then if he opens fire then you can shoot) this report wouldn't have been made. Police should never be the one creating a gun fight.

I also had a conversation in dms with AJACE on this subject matter and he even said in the monolith discord which you failed to add:
Which you clearly did not follow in the video since you opened fire without even knowing what was going on. It should also be noted that the main priority of an officer should not be to get into gun fights and kill people it is to detain and arrest criminals breaking the law and only shooting when absolutely necessary as shown in rule 2.2.4 which says:
"Attacking to kill should be carried out sensibly and not as a first resort, unless you have a good reason for immediate lethal action."
Which in this case you did not have a good reason for immediate lethal force since you easily could've just gone up to the situation and arrest the suspects as I have done as police chief many times.

Also seen in a video of your perspective (im not entirely sure if im allowed to post it here since it was sent in a private channel but will send it to any admin who requests to see it) there were many civilian's around my friend who was pointing a gun and in your perspective video it shows you rapidly firing making you extremely inaccurate (when you should have been taking accurate shots even though you had no reason to shoot us) and endangering the lives of the innocent civilians around my friend which is failing to value life since a stray bullet could have hit them.

I would also like to point out that you made no attempt at telling my friend to put the gun down, which he could have (don't even try to say you knew he wouldn't) which once again could have completely avoided an entire gun fight and you failing to value your own life when you could have (like i have said many times before) just arrest my friend or even try to understand what was going on cause who knows maybe he was pointing the gun in self defense because the tow driver just hit him. And so, once again this shows that you made no attempt to follow the police code and overall just being corrupt when you could have taken many different routes to handle the situation like every person who has a chief whitelist and deserves it should.

And finally in your response you said "look at the Rules your friend Tommy young was pointing a weapon at a towtruck driver" I am assuming you are referring to rule 2.2.11 which states "You may not harm a Tow Truck Driver for towing or impounding you, your friend's or organization/party member's vehicle. In addition, you may not harm a Tow Truck Driver for previously towing or impounding you, your friend's or organization/party member's vehicle." there is nowhere in that rule that says you cannot point a gun at tow truck drivers it only talks about harming them and my friend did not fire a single bullet at the tow truck driver so Tyler Gard maybe you're the one who needs to read the rules

In conclusion, Tyler Gard was showing complete negligence in what to do as a police officer and how to handle situations like this correctly which is to not open fire without understanding what is going on. This shows that clearly Tyler Gard does not know what it means to be a police officer and has no idea what he is doing as a police officer and is only looking for frags instead of actually trying to rp and handle the situation like they would in the real world. I believe he should get his whitelist removed since he doesn't know what it means to be a cop and therefor should not be a leader.

Thank you for reading this and sorry for making it so long (this is in response to Tyler Gard's reply to this report btw)

 

[Doom Guy]

"if you think me killing you and your friend is RDM its not you had shot at me which would allow me to shoot you and your other friend had also shot me allowing me to shoot him"
This makes no sense as you can see in the video you opened fire first without us firing a single shot towards anyone else so us shooting at you wouldn't matter because if you actually knew what to do as an officer (which would be go up to the situation, tell the suspect to put the gun down and then if he opens fire then you can shoot) this report wouldn't have been made. Police should never be the one creating a gun fight.

I also had a conversation in dms with AJACE on this subject matter and he even said in the monolith discord which you failed to add: View attachment 14552
Which you clearly did not follow in the video since you opened fire without even knowing what was going on. It should also be noted that the main priority of an officer should not be to get into gun fights and kill people it is to detain and arrest criminals breaking the law and only shooting when absolutely necessary as shown in rule 2.2.4 which says:
"Attacking to kill should be carried out sensibly and not as a first resort, unless you have a good reason for immediate lethal action."
Which in this case you did not have a good reason for immediate lethal force since you easily could've just gone up to the situation and arrest the suspects as I have done as police chief many times.

Also seen in a video of your perspective (im not entirely sure if im allowed to post it here since it was sent in a private channel but will send it to any admin who requests to see it) there were many civilian's around my friend who was pointing a gun and in your perspective video it shows you rapidly firing making you extremely inaccurate (when you should have been taking accurate shots even though you had no reason to shoot us) and endangering the lives of the innocent civilians around my friend which is failing to value life since a stray bullet could have hit them.

I would also like to point out that you made no attempt at telling my friend to put the gun down, which he could have (don't even try to say you knew he wouldn't) which once again could have completely avoided an entire gun fight and you failing to value your own life when you could have (like i have said many times before) just arrest my friend or even try to understand what was going on cause who knows maybe he was pointing the gun in self defense because the tow driver just hit him. And so, once again this shows that you made no attempt to follow the police code and overall just being corrupt when you could have taken many different routes to handle the situation like every person who has a chief whitelist and deserves it should.

And finally in your response you said "look at the Rules your friend Tommy young was pointing a weapon at a towtruck driver" I am assuming you are referring to rule 2.2.11 which states "You may not harm a Tow Truck Driver for towing or impounding you, your friend's or organization/party member's vehicle. In ad
adition, you may not harm a Tow Truck Driver for previously towing or impounding you, your friend's or organization/party member's vehicle." there is nowhere in that rule that says you cannot point a gun at tow truck drivers it only talks about harming them and my friend did not fire a single bullet at the tow truck driver so Tyler Gard maybe you're the one who needs to read the rules

In conclusion, Tyler Gard was showing complete negligence in what to do as a police officer and how to handle situations like this correctly which is to not open fire without understanding what is going on. This shows that clearly Tyler Gard does not know what it means to be a police officer and has no idea what he is doing as a police officer and is only looking for frags instead of actually trying to rp and handle the situation like they would in the real world. I believe he should get his whitelist removed since he doesn't know what it means to be a cop and therefor should not be a leader.

Thank you for reading this and sorry for making it so long (this is in response to Tyler Gard's reply to this report btw)

this was a big rant which i dont think was necessary as you seem to try to disapprove what staff already said was justified

and i guess yes shooting a bunch did make a me inaccurate and MAY have caused Civs to be injured, but if they are really standing in the middle of a fight Like alot of civs were doing that is just whats going to happen

And finally in your response you said "look at the Rules your friend Tommy young was pointing a weapon at a towtruck driver" I am assuming you are referring to rule 2.2.11 which states "You may not harm a Tow Truck Driver for towing or impounding you, your friend's or organization/party member's vehicle. In addition, you may not harm a Tow Truck Driver for previously towing or impounding you, your friend's or organization/party member's vehicle." there is nowhere in that rule that says you cannot point a gun at tow truck drivers it only talks about harming them and my friend did not fire a single bullet at the tow truck driver so Tyler Gard maybe you're the one who needs to read the rules

I Dont know how this is supposed to be in this report as this is a report for me shooting you for you pointing a gun at someone NOT for you shooting a tow truck driver

I would also like to point out that you made no attempt at telling my friend to put the gun down, which he could have (don't even try to say you knew he wouldn't) which once again could have completely avoided an entire gun fight and you failing to value your own life when you could have (like i have said many times before) just arrest my friend or even try to understand what was going on cause who knows maybe he was pointing the gun in self defense because the tow driver just hit him. And so, once again this shows that you made no attempt to follow the police code and overall just being corrupt when you could have taken many different routes to handle the situation like every person who has a chief whitelist and deserves it should.

I Really shouldnt have done this and im not going to argue or fight it but i had no backup and going up to 3 people which i know are together and one of them has a gun to ask them to put it down is more a death sentence if were talking about Monolith (or IRL even) at the time most Police weren't doing their job and me being alone i wasn't going to ask a bunch of people who dont care about their job to try to help me

This makes no sense as you can see in the video you opened fire first without us firing a single shot towards anyone else so us shooting at you wouldn't matter because if you actually knew what to do as an officer (which would be go up to the situation, tell the suspect to put the gun down and then if he opens fire then you can shoot) this report wouldn't have been made. Police should never be the one creating a gun fight.

Not True Police always start gun fights more then Civs do because most people dont know when they are code red or anything like that

Most things like this is where Rules are a grey area (to certain situations) as like the rule i acted on

[5.2.1.1] "Law Enforcement may only use deadly force when the situation requires the protection of themselves or others. For example, if a person is threatening your life, you may use your weapon in self-defense."

Tommy Young had a gun pointed at a tow truck driver which is endangering his life (from my POV) so on this rule i could Shoot you (Deadly Force) because i was protecting Myself and Others (towtruck driver)

and you may not find this vaild But other higher ups have. Im currently trying to get Even higher peoples opinion about the situation and i will put them here for the responding Staff to see

 

[herg]

"I Really shouldnt have done this and im not going to argue or fight it but i had no backup and going up to 3 people which i know are together and one of them has a gun to ask them to put it down is more a death sentence if were talking about Monolith (or IRL even) at the time most Police weren't doing their job and me being alone i wasn't going to ask a bunch of people who dont care about their job to try to help me"
Ok so you just admitted to failing to value your own life and also if police weren't doing their jobs correctly call an admin or get on chief and demote them other police not doing their job is no excuse to go into a gun fight knowing you are most likely are going to die. You can also just call it out over radio and then later perform an arrest on us once you get reinforcements there is still no need for you to purposely go into a gun fight by yourself unless it is for self greed.

And yes technically that rule does allow you to shoot us but it was not required of you to shoot us and as stated in the rule it says "when the situation requires" and from my point of view it was not required of you to do that you once again easily could have acted calmly (you don't always need to be aggressive as a police officer) and simply gone up to us and asked what was going on and we would have told you and you would understand that we were not going to shoot the tow truck driver as he is a good friend of ours and we just urgently need him to put the car down and once the tow truck driver realized we needed it urgently he would have put it down but instead you intervened without knowing what was going on.

 

[Doom Guy]

Ok so you just admitted to failing to value your own life and also if police weren't doing their jobs correctly call an admin or get on chief and demote them

not allowed

And yes technically that rule does allow you to shoot us

Then why is there a report You said its allowed? and staff have to so why is there a report since no rule breaks are here

 

[The Antagonist]

not allowed


Then why is there a report You said its allowed? and staff have to so why is there a report since no rule breaks are here

From my pov, the situation did not require deadly force. As seen in the clip we were just talking to Jimmy, (not threatening him) and one of our members did not have firearm safety. You inferred since he had a weapon pointed a Jimmy that he was threatening him when he in fact was not. You did not attempt to obtain any context of the situation by walking over to us and attempting to defuse it, instead, you shot at us like an unintelligent child without the ability to think about the context of any situation.

 

[Doom Guy]

Well if your pointing a gun at somebody to any cop it’s going to look like your threatening that person

Also no need to add

“you shot at us like an unintelligent child”

 

[Doom Guy]

To be honest if no one has anything else that can help the report this has to be locked

 

[misterlol29]

Under Review

 

[misterlol29]

After Reviewing the video I have come to the following conclusion:

Player @Doom Guy did not break any rules as he is allowed to take immediate action against a hostile if the life of himself or the surrounding people is in immediate danger. Considering someone was being held at gunpoint that would seem to be the case here.

Player Report Denied