Scammed

[Dah Shef "Chef"]

Your Steam Name: BigNoseNBAYoungBoy
Your SteamID: 76561198054879480
Your Character Name: Poh Lung

Target Steam Name: Uiceheidd
Target SteamID: STEAM_0:0:145225629
Target Character Name (if known): Jackie Wong

Request Reason: Scammed for to many weapons by multiple people
When did the situation occur?: Roughly 8:50 PM, May 19
Your evidence to support your claim: https://streamable.com/bax63w https://ibb.co/V013Tz5 https://ibb.co/xJQ01Xy https://ibb.co/QFkGCxV https://ibb.co/D9dZRPc
(lack of my voice is strange and unintentional, you can clearly tell by responses however I was just saying how this was not allowed and against the rules)
By the screenshots which were BEFORE the incident I was asked to create macs and ak's in exchange for money, it was fully agreed and given a meet up location in which i was robbed of EVERYTHING. By rules of ingame scamming it was a little over 6x the allowed amount stolen. I told them multiple time's it was against the rules and they still kept going.
I gave my end of the deal which was creation of weapons in exchange for money which was not given.

Im aware that people can scam for 3 weapons MAX, 20 is (obviously) quite a bit more.

Additional members involved/witnessing: STEAM_0:1:120321312, STEAM_0:1:87746073
Read, understood and followed player report rules?: I understand the rules, Arroyo told me this likely constitutes as scamming and I should bring it to the forums due to the scale of people.

 

[Jet]

Salutations @CristianFerrie,

This player-report is currently under-review, @uiceheid you're mentioned in this player-report, please respond to this player-report otherwise it may be handled without your input.

 

[uiceheid]

Okay well i was told this is NOT scamming we did it with intentions of robbing/mugging you there was about 6 others involved, not naming any names. apart of the robbery was @Frank Saints , he is a witness/participant of it all so he will be defending me and the rest of us in this case. This robbery was planned due to your beef with the org Paradox and their allies. edit: as you can see i didn't put the cuffs on, and you did not comply to me saying put your hands up.

 

[Dah Shef "Chef"]

I completely understand the intentions, its a dark rp server so its obvious seeing someone with 20 guns is exciting. There are multiple issues with the way this was carried out.
The amount of time to comply was completely unreasonable aswell as it was interrupted, I was given 3 seconds in a situation that was clearly rule breaking and then cuffed before I could react. Being taken out of a trade window and having a gun put to your head is a little jarring if you could imagine.

1. "You are required to give the opposing party a reasonable time-period (in this case 3 seconds before getting ziptied during the demand to put my hands up) to respond and act upon your commands in situations where the rules allow various outcomes based on how the opposing party reacts. (this is during Fear RP, I have no option other than to comply yet I get ziptied within a unreasonable amount of time during the demand to raise my hands) You need to make sure the opposing party heard you. (this rule you almost followed, during the repeating of the demand I was cuffed and not given the option to comply, creating reasonable doubt on if I heard you the first time and was even able to comply) Keep the voice-chat delay in mind."

I would've loved to comply, but given 3 seconds and then cuffed during the demand being repeated made it a little hard. You may have not put the cuffs on, but the people also part of the mugging did, which just so happens to be your problem as you lead the scam, not mine.

2. You may rob someone of three items that are for sale, (Lets say the argument could be made that this isnt a scam, you simply robbed me for items for sale, you still broke the rules and stole more than 3 weapons, I stated that in vc multiple times but you thought it was a sting and not anything rule breaking, this is evident in you reassuring yourself that whatever your doing isnt a scam or a improper mugging in proximity chat see video) e.g. guns in a gun shop. Law Enforcement Officers may confiscate illegal weapons that are for sale.

Even if this wasnt a scam it was still against the rules and 17 of the 20 guns stolen should be returned or refunded. These items were for sale. This is evident in you asking to purchase them in a ad for commissions I made, you were also reccommended to purchase from me as they were for sale. See https://ibb.co/D9dZRPc for proof of you making an order and https://ibb.co/QFkGCxV for you agreeing to pay me and meet up after the commission is done, proving these were for sale.

3. In-character scamming other players of in-game items are limited to either 20.000 dollars in cash OR three firearms of any kind. (Funny enough, if this is confirmed to be a scam the same thing would happen even if it wasn't, you stole to many weapons and did not follow rules even when stated to you in proximity chat, this is very much a scam aswell due to your failure to commit to your end of the deal (paying me my money) while I committed to mine (the making of 8 macs and 12 ak's)) You may only scam someone for EITHER the money or firearms, not both. Scamming regarding membership to organizations is not allowed under any circumstances.

The argument that this isnt a scam, but a mugging, is false, it would be a mugging if the weapons were readily available for selling but they weren't, they had to be made under a deal. I stated I didn't have the mac's and that I could make the ak's, which you asked me to in exchange for money, we agreed on a deal and executed it. You did not hold up on your agreement therefore it was a scam. This is seen in https://ibb.co/D9dZRPc

Also the beef isnt mutual, it is very one sided.

 

[uiceheid]

edit: , there is no "rule. 20" you were mugged not scammed, we did not SCAM you are lying in a admin sit.
This is the rule you're referring to , You are literally making a rule up and altering it. It isnt stated , it's a gray zone if anything.
12. 'In-character scamming other players of in-game items are limited to either 20.000 dollars in cash OR three firearms of any kind. You may only scam someone for EITHER the money or firearms, not both. Scamming regarding membership to organizations is not allowed under any circumstances."

 

[Dah Shef "Chef"]

, there is no "rule. 20" you were mugged not scammed, we did not SCAM you are lying in a admin sit.
This is the rule you're referring to , You are literally making a rule up and altering it. It isnt stated , it's a gray zone if anything.
12. 'In-character scamming other players of in-game items are limited to either 20.000 dollars in cash OR three firearms of any kind. You may only scam someone for EITHER the money or firearms, not both. Scamming regarding membership to organizations is not allowed under any circumstances."

Thats, the exact rule i stated, when did i say rule 20? I copy pasted the rules i never changed anything :/ please elaborate im genuinely confused, you just said word for word what I did

 

[uiceheid]

Thats, the exact rule i stated, when did i say rule 20? I copy pasted the rules i never changed anything :/

ohhh sorry sorry i misread but yes this is grayzone forsure , we mugged you it was a planned robbery and being that i wasn't the one who cuffed you and you didn't respond to me telling you to put your hands up, it was in-fact a robbery.

 

[Dah Shef "Chef"]

2. You may rob someone of three items that are for sale, (Lets say the argument could be made that this isnt a scam, you simply robbed me for items for sale,

Spoiler

you still broke the rules and stole more than 3 weapons

, I stated that in vc multiple times but you thought it was a sting and not anything rule breaking, this is evident in you reassuring yourself that whatever your doing isnt a scam or a improper mugging in proximity chat see video) e.g. guns in a gun shop. Law Enforcement Officers may confiscate illegal weapons that are for sale.

Even if this wasnt a scam it was still against the rules and 17 of the 20 guns stolen should be returned or refunded. These items were for sale. This is evident in you asking to purchase them in a ad for commissions I made, you were also reccommended to purchase from me as they were for sale. See https://ibb.co/D9dZRPc for proof of you making an order and https://ibb.co/QFkGCxV for you agreeing to pay me and meet up after the commission is done, proving these were for sale.

 

[Jet]

Salutations once again @uiceheid & @CristianFerrie,

Upon speaking with my fellow staff members regarding this situation, you spoke with CristianFerrie and agreed to meet up and purchase the primaries from him, so knowing he had the items on him, this does fall under the robbing section of the rules, per rule [2.1] #12

In-character scamming other players of in-game items are limited to either 20.000 dollars in cash OR three firearms of any kind. You may only scam someone for EITHER the money or firearms, not both. Scamming regarding membership to organizations is not allowed under any circumstances.

The items valued at over $20,000 and the items taken were more than 3 firearms.

The items received from and/or used during this robbery were also deposited into a bank account 4 to 5 minutes after the situation took place, which is also a break of [2.1] #9

You may not deposit stolen money, items, or weapons to your bank account or stashes immediately after a robbery, raid, or simple theft, nor may you deposit a weapon immediately after drawing it or last using it. In all cases, you must wait 10 minutes before doing so.

I'm gonna go ahead and void the situation, and request that the items received from this be dropped.

Player Report Accepted,
Locked & Moved.