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[Walter Scott]

Your Steam Name: RedSpeeds
Your Steam ID: 76561198133999766
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Walter Scott

Admin being reported( Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @heyitskev

Reason for Report: Conflict of interest
Time of Occurrence: Today
Evidence to support your claim: https://monolithservers.com/forums/threads/ban-appeal.35071/
Yes, he is the banning staff member but he is also the staff member that i bought premium from. I understand he got authorization to execute the ban but he should not be the one to have the final say in it. As he agreed (

https://imgur.com/a/0IAfxId

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Additional members involved/witnessing:
Read, understood and followed staff report rules?: Yes

 

[heyitskev]

While the majority of the people who view this report will know the full context of things, I am going to give a basic rundown of what happened/steps.

1. Redspeeds posts a message in discord saying hes buying premium
2. I send my offer to him (80,000), he accepts it
3. Walter suggests a bank transfer with monophone while I am off the server, which I agree to
4. We discover that he can't send the bank transfer without me being on the server
5. I join the server play for a little while, and I get a notification that I had received 8,000 dollars (not 80,000) and a screenshot from Redspeeds showing me that he sent $80,000. However, on my end (and according to server logs) I only received $8000
6. I treat the situation as a possible bug, and ask other staff members about it
7. Red Speeds offers to pay me the remainder in cash instead of bank transfer, which he then does.
8. @DevulTj responds stating that there is no possible way that this could have occurred unless Redspeeds were to have edited a game file.
9. When I ask RedSpeeds what happened, he claims that he believes it was because a 0 was put in front of the amount. We test this method on small increments to no avail.
10. Me and another staff member (@Thegamingshain ) test even more using the same money increment (80k), and it works just fine.
11. Devul claims that putting a 0 in front of the amount would not cause such a glitch
12. Devul suggests that I ban RedSpeeds unless he fesses up to editing the game files.
13. RedSpeeds and I have a 5 min conversation about the issue.
14. RedSpeeds does not admit to editing game files and is then banned for a month by me for Attempted Scamming.
15. Mass cahos ensues: Players begin to harass RedSpeeds
16. RedSpeeds appeals his ban on the fourms, and I deny him
17. RedSpeeds DM's me over discord and we have a long chain of messages relating to the event. (Full transcript below)
18. Players spam my DM's over RedSpeed's ban

I made my decision based on the suggestion of my superiors. While I did make the final decision on my own avail, I do feel as if it's appropriate that the CM/SD+ that has the final say on this staff report is one that was not involved in the situation.

Discord Transcript:

Spoiler: Discord Images

 

[Walter Scott]

Just a general message to everyone dont harass/spam @heyitskev about this let the people who have a say in this look at it please

 

[JucaMais]

I would like to add to this staff report, reporting more heyitskev mistakes.

There are some huge issues regarding the whole chain of staff decisions in this case:

Everything seems to suggest that you attempted to edit game files to falsify a screenshot and scam. Devs are confident that the only way this could have happened is if a game file was edited. As such, your ban appeal will be denied.

1. DevulTj responds stating that there is no possible way that this could have occurred unless Redspeeds were to have edited a game file.
2. Devul suggests that I ban RedSpeeds unless he fesses up to editing the game files

Everything seems to suggest that you... (...)

1° Redspreeds ban was totally based on an assumption. The devs told you, heyitskev, that such of thing was only possible by changing game files, even still, there is no proof that Walterscott did this. If there is way to prove this by redspreeds part, the devs, being so confident on what they were saying , could have confirmed the existence of that exploit by reproducing it to a higher staff member (in case they didn't trust to show you).
However, you being in charge of Redspreeds case, decided then to trust fully on a developer suggestion, a suggestion, not an order from a higher up. As in you stated"... I did make the final decision on my own avail..." which is even worse.

An exploit like this might exists, i dont have knowledge to say if it does or not, the dev who said it to you was someone who really understand about the subject, but still, if this whole forum section of REPORTS AND APPEALS are suposed to be a place of fairness, with proofs being presented by people to support their acusations and defenses, you, basing your judgment on just an assumption is something completely wrong and that undermines the legitimacy of how you guys staff handle sits and reports.

2° "You need to prove it to the devs". You need to decide who is charge of redspreeds case, is is you or the devs?
A time you say that you made your decision by your own, then later you justify it by putting the devs words, what's even your point?
Also it isn't like the devs have shown a definitive indisputable proof, they have just said "he changed game files, he did it" and that's it, how is redspreeds even able to counter argument this??

3° If that is the case, then Redspreeds Exploited, he did something you guys says to have 0 tolerance, such of rule infraction leads people year or permanent bans. Why then you banned him for just 1 month????? I will say why, because you and even the devs who got involved were not confident about whats was being done and said, after all there is no real evidence against redspreeds. Which of you would be accountable of banning someone perma without being fully confident of your action?

Changing game files to remove doors in the game or putting an external crosshair are some examples of Exploiting, Redspreed supposedly act would fall into this category of rule infraction.

4° In this player report case, you were both the Victim, The witness and the Judge; You were the one who felt scammed, you witnessed the whole situation and in the end, you had the power to apply whatever punishment you wanted. You even took the appeal he made and denied it, there was no way he could defend himself.
By no means was this situation dealt fairly.

I would like to mention that, even not liking WalterScott much, the situation heis stuck in is very unfair and if this type of behavior presented by the heyitskev staff is not corrected, other players, including myself are liable to suffer from these unfair acts in the future. Im not defending walterscott, im defending the way of staff working right and fairly, so that attitudes like heyitskev's won't spread, hitting all of us.

 

[DevulTj]

I would like to add to this staff report, reporting more heyitskev mistakes.

You're uninvolved in this situation, so please refrain from posting further in this case.

Now to the topic at hand. Altering this file is a trivial process. It's not hard, and it's not a bannable offense, as this is not exploiting. You were banned for scamming.

There's literally no possibility that this resulted in a bug. It's not possible. The logs state 8k, and it's 8k for kev, and it was 80k for you - that doesn't add up. It's the same net message, so it has to be an altered file on your behalf.

 

[Walter Scott]

You're uninvolved in this situation, so please refrain from posting further in this case.

Now to the topic at hand. Altering this file is a trivial process. It's not hard, and it's not a bannable offense, as this is not exploiting. You were banned for scamming.

There's literally no possibility that this resulted in a bug. It's not possible. The logs state 8k, and it's 8k for kev, and it was 80k for you - that doesn't add up. It's the same net message, so it has to be an altered file on your behalf.

As i said in your PMs i have no reason to scam him so why in the world would i do it, i dont know how it happened and i have no way to proof i didn't edit said file due to the nature of the file. All im asking for is the benefit of the doubt here as i dont have any legs to stand on i do not have a history of scamming nor do i have a motive all the evidence you have is suggestive and not concrete at all but neither can i prove a negative. Another problem Juca pointed out is that kev in this instance is the victim, witness and the judge its a massive conflict with no logic behind any of the reasoning.

EDIT: If you look at the timestamps of both screenshots and logs you can see the money was wired at 12:16:38 and i sent the screenshot at 12:17 do you believe 30 seconds is enough time? because i dont

 

[DevulTj]

As i said in your PMs i have no reason to scam him so why in the world would i do it, i dont know how it happened and i have no way to proof i didn't edit said file due to the nature of the file. All im asking for is the benefit of the doubt here as i dont have any legs to stand on i do not have a history of scamming nor do i have a motive all the evidence you have is suggestive and not concrete at all but neither can i prove a negative. Another problem Juca pointed out is that kev in this instance is the victim, witness and the judge its a massive conflict with no logic behind any of the reasoning.

EDIT: If you look at the timestamps of both screenshots and logs you can see the money was wired at 12:16:38 and i sent the screenshot at 12:17 do you believe 30 seconds is enough time? because i dont

I'll let Kev make a decision on the unban - but this really isn't a reason for a staff report. It's not a conflict of interest, that isn't a thing in this case.

I will be obfuscating and removing the editable files in a hotfix soon so people can't fuck around and mess with stuff.

Just so you know, I don't process ban appeals or staff reports via DMs unless it's absolutely necessary, as keeping it here is a good way to keep track for the Community Management and Staff Team. So please keep it to the official formats.

 

[Walter Scott]

I'll let Kev make a decision on the unban - but this really isn't a reason for a staff report. It's not a conflict of interest, that isn't a thing in this case.

I will be obfuscating and removing the editable files in a hotfix soon so people can't fuck around and mess with stuff.

Just so you know, I don't process ban appeals or staff reports via DMs unless it's absolutely necessary, as keeping it here is a good way to keep track for the Community Management and Staff Team. So please keep it to the official formats.

The problem here is he said your the key reason for the ban and that hes following orders from his superiors which is you. So he basically said your the person to sign off on the unban

 

[DevulTj]

The problem here is he said your the key reason for the ban and that hes following orders from his superiors which is you. So he basically said your the person to sign off on the unban

And I've given him the choice to unban you or not. What's so hard to understand here?

 

[Walter Scott]

Alright ill await his response then
EDIT: Still a conflict of interest since hes victim witness and judge and executioner and appeal judge

 

[JucaMais]

You're uninvolved in this situation, so please refrain from posting further in this case.

This report thread is against heyitskev, i've witnessed him doing questionable/wrong actions as a staff, what I've written so far are arguments reporting heyitskev actions. I'm not aiding redspreeds personally.

There are contradictions on Kev's part, in a moment he says that he took all decisions by himself, in another he excuses that his decisions were based on your words.
Another thing is that he haven't given redspreeds way to defend himself, he was the victim and the one who judged redspreeds at the same time; he banned him and even denying his appeal. If you are going to say there was no issue in Kev's actions, then i don't have anything else to say.

That leaving aside the "the evidence" that Redspreeds really attempted to scam and change files... but whatever there is no way to argue with you.

 

[DevulTj]

This report thread is against heyitskev, i've witnessed him doing questionable/wrong actions as a staff, what I've written so far are arguments reporting heyitskev actions. I'm not aiding redspreeds personally.

There are contradictions on Kev's part, in a moment he says that he took all decisions by himself, in another he excuses that his decisions were based on your words.
Another thing is that he haven't given redspreeds way to defend himself, he was the victim and the one who judged redspreeds at the same time; he banned him and even denying his appeal. If you are going to say there was no issue in Kev's actions, then i don't have anything else to say.

That leaving aside the "the evidence" that Redspreeds really attempted to scam and change files... but whatever there is no way to argue with you. You said he did, then that's it.

You're not involved in this report - and to add more, you're adding nothing to his case. Please refrain from making responses from now on.

Community Rules

- You may only post on application, appeal or complaint threads if you are the thread author, have been tagged in the thread, are a staff member or have any meaningful evidence to add to the situation.

 

[DevulTj]

SR Denied

Kev didn't mishandle anything in this case, as there is no misconduct, this report will be denied.

If you'd like to make a staff report on me, as the go ahead for your ban was under my authorization - be my guest. But I've stated in this report that nothing was mishandled.