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Your Steam Name:Thickboots
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:456070217
Your Character Name (If Applicable):Tyler Park

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@Balldrip
Reason for Report: So I really did not want to make this report but it seemed like it needed to be handled. The reason I am reporting Balldrip Today Is because I was given a blacklist for killing someone I had kos on the reason it was given to me as i was Loading my firearm the person raised thier hands as I was about to kill them. Though after i was given this punishment we attended to raid a house which was clearly head glitching i made a report nobody claimed the report so we just pushed the base And in the video I will provide it clearly shows players inside the base shooting us when we enter they flee my POV is not the best as i was not hard peaking due to not having a firearm. Though my friends peaking the door saw who shot them and ran in seeing them with the gun they fired at them plenty times almost killing them. In the back room they are attempting to pick up their Weed And Stuff Which seems kinda ftvl and minge grab as they were getting shot at. Though once we enter into the back room we kill them because they are not a surrender party they are actively running around STEALING Stuff we were attempting to take in a raid there for we killed him there was 2 valid reason to kill them sorry 3 None were Surrendered, Shot at us, and Last they were stealing stuff from a active raid which keep in mind stealing loot is a kos action. He then used the clip I provided to give 2 people verbal which were not valid at all as they had valid rp reason to kill those to in the base. He also let a officer go that clearly shot me while unarmed no verbal just oh seemed like a Mistake and returned him. I believe that balldrip was being biased and attempting to look for anyway form shape or way to get me and or anyone on my freq in trouble. I would also like to add To this @Chef Boyardee They player that was killed when i asked him later on he said and agreed with me that us killing him was valid and did not see any rule break in it. Also the org he is in is almost allied with zone 2 and he took a report with someone in zone 2 seemed kinda biased but what ever what im saying here is he gave false warnings and did not do his staff job correctly as he really let someone go that clearly attempted to rdm me with no warning. This is a quote from the rules "Killing during raids should be carried out sensibly. If there is a legitimate threat on the property of which you are raiding, it is reasonable to enter with the intent to kill. For example, if anyone at the targeted property has a weapon equipped, the base as a whole constitutes a legitimate threat and you may kill everyone that has not visibly surrendered inside it." @Balldrip They had weapons equipped at first shooting at us As I said you cannot see them attempting to shoot at me with my pov as I had a weapons blacklist so I am not gonna peak really hard with no firearm because to be honest getting shot at and running into a house seems like ftvl but we enter the house and none of the people inside were Surrendered they were still running around with a possible machete we could not see if they had one or not they continue to pick there stuff up still not surrendered leading to us killing them as they both had weapons at the time and they were attempting to equip them in that back room :) Sorry my pov is not the best but it still shows what we did was perfectly fine :). I would like to add I did not get a punishment in this situation as I did not have a gun but if I did I would have killed them to. Also @Parker Watched the video as he joined in on the sit for about 2 minutes and said him self "What I watched here dose not seem to be rdm or any rule break" @Phenix Rey Lucas Santiago both were issued a verbal if this staff report is accepted I request it is taken out of there notes as it has no place to be there in the first place.
Time of Occurrence: Wednesday 5:30 PM Est
Evidence to support your claim: https://medal.tv/clips/27065266/d13370qjVSa2

Additional members involved/witnessing: @chefBoyarde @Phenix Rey @Parker Lucas Santiago
Read, understood and followed staff report rules?: Yes
 
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Hello Thickboots,

I don't understand what you are reporting me here for. As far as the situation that your video has involved with the people running back and forth, I reviewed the footage with THREE other staff members. We left the decision to the highest-ranking staff member in the call being an SA. After reviewing the video he came to the decision it was a borderline rule break, and why they were issued verbals. When speaking to the SA in the discord call, he said that Chef Boyardee wasn't a threat due to the fact that his gun was in his inventory. He would be a threat if he was reaching/equipping his gun. In the sit, Phenix admitted to killing the person actively shooting at you guys and not the two in the room making weed. Their punishments come in also when they are saying hands up, hands up WHILE SHOOTING not giving enough time to surrender.
Also, the org he is in is almost allied with zone 2 and he took a report with someone in zone 2 seemed kinda biased
We are not allied, he is not in my org, nor is he a close friend. Even then after the player provided me evidence it was clear to me that you broke a rule.

also let a officer go that clearly shot me while unarmed no verbal just oh seemed like a Mistake and returned him.
The officer that was let go understood his mistake, as he stated in the sit he said I thought you were a threat, and then once I got a better look and you said you're unarmed with your hands up he recognized his mistake, stopped, and left the room. He had no priors at all, so after again talking to multiple staff members they also thought no punishment should be issued, but with me just saying be more careful and re-read the rules. So saying, oh it was a mistake he can go wasn't true at all because he explained to me for a good ten minutes his reasoning and what his thought process was at the time. It was a clear accident because in the end, why would he run?
balldrip was being biased and attempting to look for anyway form shape or way to get me and or anyone on my freq in trouble
This video was provided to me when you reported the officer who shot you. After reviewing the footage I saw a possible, BORDERLINE rule break. So I talked to the correct people due to one person being a mentor, and having different POVs is never bad.

So if what you are telling me here is that I cant act upon evidence that contains a rule break, then please rethink what the purpose of staff is.

This seems like you are just upset about your blacklist, and are doing anything to get it removed. True, Parker can have his opinion, which I never said was wrong, but when it comes from someone who is SA, being three ranks above me, I think the punishment is and will always be valid. :)

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Section #4.2
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Killing during raids should be carried out sensibly. If there is a legitimate threat on the property of which you are raiding, it is reasonable to enter with the intent to kill. For example, if anyone at the targeted property has a weapon equipped, the base as a whole constitutes a legitimate threat and you may kill everyone that has not visibly surrendered inside it.

So, we had reason to kill everyone inside, they posed a threat and did not surrender
 

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@Balldrip they were reaching we had seen them in there inventory while jumping around trying to equip and they all head weapons so i mean we had valid reason to kill them
 

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Hello again Thickboots,
they were reaching we had seen them in there inventory while jumping around trying to equip and they all head weapons so i mean we had valid reason to kill them

They weren't reaching jumping around. They were in their inventory, it is considered reaching when it says "equipping weapon", and clearly in the video you can see he wasn't equipping a weapon, he was simply in his inventory.

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"If there is a legitimate threat on the property of which you are raiding, it is reasonable to enter with the intent to kill. For example, if anyone at the targeted property has a weapon equipped, the base as a whole constitutes a legitimate threat and you may kill everyone that has not visibly surrendered inside it."

There was someone armed on the property AND they had shot at us, so, they were a threat, so we had good enough reason to kill @Balldrip
 

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"If there is a legitimate threat on the property of which you are raiding, it is reasonable to enter with the intent to kill. For example, if anyone at the targeted property has a weapon equipped, the base as a whole constitutes a legitimate threat and you may kill everyone that has not visibly surrendered inside it."

There was someone armed on the property AND they had shot at us, so, they were a threat, so we had good enough reason to kill @Balldrip
Hello Phenix Rey,

You say there was a threat on the property, but once that threat was done for, you asked them to put their hands up not giving them enough time to react. This rule is very much true but this player was not a threat to you at the time. Quoting your own rule it states, "... A legitimate threat and you may kill everyone that has not visibly surrendered inside it." According to this rule, you didn't see him surrender yet, assumed he had a gun on him which wasn't equipped nor visible at the time, and proceeded to kill.

Quoting Rule 2.2.4 it states the following-
"Attacking to kill should be carried out sensibly and not as a first resort unless you have a good reason for immediate lethal action."

So the situation would've been different if you gave them time to react to your demands, and see if they complied. If not you could've made a report as they are breaking FearRP, and they would've been punished accordingly.

-Balldrip
 

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You say there was a threat on the property, but once that threat was done for, you asked them to put their hands up not giving them enough time to react. This rule is very much true but this player was not a threat to you at the time.
The player had looted a player that was killed which is a kos action either way they were not visably surrendered and second off the lethal Action was taken as everyone on that property was armed because chef did infact take the class 3 off of the body and was attempting to equip it in the back room while jumping around THere was many reason we killed them they had Firearms that could have been used as you told me that the reason I got my weapons blacklist is because credence had his hands up though if he did not and I knew he had that firearm I coulda killed him we killed them due to having firearms and actively stealing many things during a raid idk what we did wrong he as I have latterly been shot before by plenty of staff when they were cop for example "gets Pulled over runs away they look above my head see im reaching so they killed me" Same thing happened here I don't see any problem in this situation.
"Attacking to kill should be carried out sensibly and not as a first resort unless you have a good reason for immediate lethal action."
This rule is just basically a counter rule aka a rule contradicting another rule but it was not taken as a first resort they had time to raise there hands while we raided the house though they ran into a back room attempting to lock the door and equip a firearm as they were armed and grab there stuff.
didn't see him surrender yet, assumed he had a gun on him which wasn't equipped nor visible at the time, and proceeded to kill.
Yet again you are assuming this off my POV They saw him equipping a firearm reaching in his inventory for his firearm/ class 3 / Thompson . This was not a assumption It was a fact we knew he had a firearm before and after killing them as I said my POV Is not the best second off you never actually talked to anyone that we killed or rather that even checked logs just talked to Shimax With what a video of my POV.

I would like to state this yet again as it was not clear enough for balldrip the first time as it seems Due to me having a weapons blacklist I was only lockpicking in this raid my POV shows barley to almost nothing of the gun fight at the start of the raid due to the fact I was not gonna run in front of bullets though phenix and lucas Santiago the ones with the Guns/ Pistols Saw what they saw Being the players being armed with guns and actively looting off of a dead body having a firearm on them meaning they are a threat when reaching into there inventory and or not with there hands up.


They weren't reaching jumping around. They were in their inventory, it is considered reaching when it says "equipping weapon", and clearly in the video you can see he wasn't equipping a weapon, he was simply in his inventory.
Many Staff have shot me before for being in my inventory while actively running away from them as they were a cop all because i enterd my inventory they gunned me down i made reports on this almost every day and they would all get denied reason they said i was reaching in my inventory Allowing them to shoot me down with 100 bullets in the back. The main staff that did these things were knight and Ethan Oxford And i blieve if knight said it was allowed which he was a sa then seems kinda bad if the rule dosent apply to him though it does to us
 

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@tyler rees in the future, failure to use proper grammar and punctuation will result in your reports being automatically closed.
 

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Hello @tyler rees,

I have talked to @Balldrip and the Senior Administrator he consulted with during his decision with this sit. As far as their consulting goes there was a miscommunication with it and something was overlooked. After discussing with Balldrip, he understands the situation and why it wasn't a rule-break. He relied on a higher-ups response as he was not completely confident in the verdict which led to this whole situation.

To be clear, the rules that were referred to was one reason why it was not considered RDM.

@Balldrip acted in good faith and did as he should, therefore he did not abuse his powers. There was no punishment given to the players regarding this situation. If in some way the players lost items, they can contact me.

Also, I would like to mention that it is quite unrealistic to run into a raid defensively with absolutely no way to defend yourself, obviously because you were on a weapon's blacklist. At the moment that is beside the point, but I do not recommend you continue to do such thing in the future.

@Balldrip actions/decisions were in good faith and there is no reason to take further action considering the circumstances. This situation was however not considered a rule-break.

Staff report concluded.

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