The rights of Monolith Players

[defans]

Imagine this, your playing Monolith. You're doing something that sounds illegal but isn't. In this case, guns. You are selling M1911's with a license. Suddenly, the police arrest you, they say they'll put you for 30-45 minutes. Why? In frustration and the fact that you are right, you leave the game. You get banned for 1 day. You try appealing but you can't. Mod states that "you shouldn't have left the game, you should have made a report" even though there were only 2 admins online who were moderating an event.

We must consider that most of the police in this game, are complete imbeciles. Some of them, maybe most of them don't know what they are doing. We must make the rules clear to cops just because these situations happen all the time. I understand that Monolith can't be perfect all the time, but at least have some common courtesy to understand situations that happen. Heck, don't even punish the cops, just unban the person who got banned unrightfully.

And even though the proper way was to make a report, there are times of the day where there could be 6 mods online, or 2, or even none! It would not be worth making a report if no one was online, or most of the admins were focused on events.

What i'm saying in this thread, we should make the rules clear to the Monoford police, tell them what they can and can't do, and probably refine the rules just to not make the situation biased to the police.

Thanks for reading!

 

[Deruta]

You are selling M1911's with a license.

Allowed, but usually done in the MonoMarket as it has no traceback and can usually be sold for a fair price.

Suddenly, the police arrest you, they say they'll put you for 30-45 minutes.

30 minutes is the new max cap for any terms of punishment. It can literally go no higher, no matter the position. Also you can find the laws here: https://monolithservers.com/forums/threads/laws-of-monolith.6021/

Stating:
4-1-2-1. Possession with Intent (Class B): As above, however, the suspect will be supplying/selling or intending to supply/sell.
Punishment: A max fine of up to $2500, or A max jail sentence of up to 8 Years, plus the confiscation of the weapon(s).

We must consider that most of the police in this game, are complete imbeciles. Some of them, maybe most of them don't know what they are doing. We must make the rules clear to cops just because these situations happen all the time. I understand that Monolith can't be perfect all the time, but at least have some common courtesy to understand situations that happen. Heck, don't even punish the cops, just unban the person who got banned unrightfully.

Multiple issues states all at once, starting from top.

Yes. That's highly plausible that the officer interacting with you has done nothing to review anythingness, or licenses, or how long you really go for. Most of it can be derived from the default times on the click and arrest options, but some may be custom like in this case.

If you truly believe that the officer is making a false arrest, request staff and supervisor to provide an ample case. Leaving just add to guiltiness for a multitude of reasons. Yet if you have the evidence and it's rooted to the right people, even after an arrest, you can make your case known to all parties.

You don't get banned by anyone, but a console auto-command, which is by default a day, you can appeal here:

Server Appeals

Appeal Server Bans, Blacklists and Warning Points here.

monolithservers.com

And even though the proper way was to make a report, there are times of the day where there could be 6 mods online, or 2, or even none! It would not be worth making a report if no one was online, or most of the admins were focused on events.

Yeah, that's becoming an issue on my own sight, but not getting into that....

What i'm saying in this thread, we should make the rules clear to the Monoford police, tell them what they can and can't do, and probably refine the rules just to not make the situation biased to the police.

Rules are only biased when they're put into scenarios, but in a technicality some rules are figured based on other people having bigger guns, heavier vehicles, or so on. Every situation being different can only regard and make the rules interpreted in so many ways.

You can also find all Police Rules in the links provided:

Police Department

monolithservers.com

Rules & Information

Rules and Information about Monolith Servers services.

monolithservers.com

 

[defans]

Allowed, but usually done in the MonoMarket as it has no traceback and can usually be sold for a fair price.

30 minutes is the new max cap for any terms of punishment. It can literally go no higher, no matter the position. Also you can find the laws here: https://monolithservers.com/forums/threads/laws-of-monolith.6021/

Stating:
4-1-2-1. Possession with Intent (Class B): As above, however, the suspect will be supplying/selling or intending to supply/sell.
Punishment: A max fine of up to $2500, or A max jail sentence of up to 8 Years, plus the confiscation of the weapon(s).

Multiple issues states all at once, starting from top.

Yes. That's highly plausible that the officer interacting with you has done nothing to review anythingness, or licenses, or how long you really go for. Most of it can be derived from the default times on the click and arrest options, but some may be custom like in this case.

If you truly believe that the officer is making a false arrest, request staff and supervisor to provide an ample case. Leaving just add to guiltiness for a multitude of reasons. Yet if you have the evidence and it's rooted to the right people, even after an arrest, you can make your case known to all parties.

You don't get banned by anyone, but a console auto-command, which is by default a day, you can appeal here:

Server Appeals

Appeal Server Bans, Blacklists and Warning Points here.

monolithservers.com

Yeah, that's becoming an issue on my own sight, but not getting into that....

Rules are only biased when they're put into scenarios, but in a technicality some rules are figured based on other people having bigger guns, heavier vehicles, or so on. Every situation being different can only regard and make the rules interpreted in so many ways.

You can also find all Police Rules in the links provided:

Police Department

monolithservers.com

Rules & Information

Rules and Information about Monolith Servers services.

monolithservers.com

To clarify:

Yes, the person who was selling the M1911's had a commercial property and was selling those guns legally, he did not possess with the intent to harm someone, he was only selling guns. You cannot confiscate the guns of a man who didn't kill or harm anyone.


What i'm most worried here is not the cops in this scenario, rather what would the admins do? Would they say "You cannot be unbanned because you left the game in a RP Situation, you should've made a report" or are they gonna listen with us providing evidence and claims to whatever the cops did? Hoping some admins and mods reply to this thread and give their opinions about this situation.

Thank you!

 

[Doom Guy]

I kinda agree with Defans but I think every single staff member shouldn’t watch a event being made or a event Happening for the next 1-3 hours and should be watching players or taking tickets

even though the proper way was to make a report, there are times of the day where there could be 6 mods online, or 2, or even none! It would not be worth making a report if no one was online, or most of the admins were focused on events.

And this I 1000%agree with it’s a big deal and higher ups should fix it in some way I’ve only seen this once but i once saw 7 staff on doing an event and MRDM was happening and they didn’t take care of it until 2hours after he already massed and left :/
but I do agree with Ethan as well it’s just better to hold C over them right click copy ID and paste it in chat and do that with every cop and make sure to record

 

[Tye]

Events are good, forums exist for a reason.

 

[defans]

Events are good, forums exist for a reason.

Who said anything about forums? we do use the forums to report. Im talking about the admins using the reason that we should make a report rather than leaving and making a report on the forums. The forums are different from the game.

 

[JucaMais]

Don't make reports in game, use forums with proper video evidence instead. staff in game is only usefull to unstuck cars

 

[Deruta]

Yes, the person who was selling the M1911's had a commercial property and was selling those guns legally, he did not possess with the intent to harm someone, he was only selling guns. You cannot confiscate the guns of a man who didn't kill or harm anyone.

Doesn't go against the law, but if they're found to fail ID Checks then it would be on them.

The signal for intent, is the intent to commit crime, which for this case would be:
Selling a Pistol of any caliber to an unlicensed private citizen without any proper authorization to do so. That being licensed yourself.

If you're licensed and selling a legal firearm to a licensed person, that's 100% fine. Anyone disregarding that fact should be founded a supervisor, or staff, to tell them about such interactions and the lack of RP to immediately jail them.

but I do agree with Ethan as well it’s just better to hold C over them right click copy ID and paste it in chat and do that with every cop and make sure to record

Don't do that and you'll run into even bigger problems down the line.

Who said anything about forums? we do use the forums to report. Im talking about the admins using the reason that we should make a report rather than leaving and making a report on the forums. The forums are different from the game.

Yeah, they may have logs, but you'd still have to wait on it.

Don't make reports in game, use forums with proper video evidence instead. staff in game is only usefull to unstuck cars

I mean they're great, but I just kinda wish they'd hire Game Masters/Event Managers, instead of using current staff to oversee such items. I mean, it's not impossible to settle certain permissions and start getting some perma's for people blowing up an entire server with a massive nuke kinda like that one time recently.....

 

[defans]

Doesn't go against the law, but if they're found to fail ID Checks then it would be on them.

The signal for intent, is the intent to commit crime, which for this case would be:
Selling a Pistol of any caliber to an unlicensed private citizen without any proper authorization to do so. That being licensed yourself.

If you're licensed and selling a legal firearm to a licensed person, that's 100% fine. Anyone disregarding that fact should be founded a supervisor, or staff, to tell them about such interactions and the lack of RP to immediately jail them.

Don't do that and you'll run into even bigger problems down the line.

Yeah, they may have logs, but you'd still have to wait on it.

I mean they're great, but I just kinda wish they'd hire Game Masters/Event Managers, instead of using current staff to oversee such items. I mean, it's not impossible to settle certain permissions and start getting some perma's for people blowing up an entire server with a massive nuke kinda like that one time recently.....

Just so you know, you cannot check if someone has a gun license. The only people who CAN check is the mayor I believe. So if your selling a gun to someone, you wouldn't know if they have a gun license or not.

 

[Doom Guy]

Just so you know, you cannot check if someone has a gun license. The only people who CAN check is the mayor I believe. So if your selling a gun to someone, you wouldn't know if they have a gun license or not.

Yes Ethan it is impossible to check

 

[defans]

Yes Ethan it is impossible to check

WHO IS ETHAN?

 

[Doom Guy]

WHO IS ETHAN?

@Deruta

 

[john monolith]

Just so you know, you cannot check if someone has a gun license. The only people who CAN check is the mayor I believe. So if your selling a gun to someone, you wouldn't know if they have a gun license or not.

The mayor and police can check. When this happened, I did have a gun license and they saw that. They said had a gun license but not a license to sell guns.
Regardless, I shouldn't have left the game. I should have waited until I was jailed and then left and made a forum post. Regardless, the ban was only 24 hours, so it doesn't really matter.

 

[Deruta]

They said had a gun license but not a license to sell guns.

That's one of the same, as you literally have no way in application or other means to get a Gun Seller's License.

Just so you know, you cannot check if someone has a gun license

The mayor and police can check.

Just as an FYI, even though explained above. You're capable of checking the full set of ID's and here are the people who can check:

• Mayor (Check/Licenser/Revoke)
• SS (Not sure)
• Chief (Check/Licenser/Revoke)
• Captain (Check/Revoke)
• Tow Truck Driver - Lieutenant (Check)
• Correction Cadet - Warden (Check)

 

[Thy]

What i'm most worried here is not the cops in this scenario, rather what would the admins do? Would they say "You cannot be unbanned because you left the game in a RP Situation, you should've made a report" or are they gonna listen with us providing evidence and claims to whatever the cops did? Hoping some admins and mods reply to this thread and give their opinions about this situation.

If you can actually prove that you were being falsely arrested and that is why you left, I'd personally most likely unban you 9 times out of 10.
However, you'd have to be able to PROVE it.
That means showing me something that undoubtedly would qualify as an illegal arrest. Not just a picture of a guy and his steam ID along with an explanation. Too many people think that a steam ID and their own version of events is proof. It's not.

So yes, if you have proof that you got banned because of you leaving due to rulebreak, you'd most likely get unbanned.

Although, keep in mind, I can not recommend that you DC to avoid situation that you disagree with, you can run the risk of shooting yourself in the foot by incurring a longer ban on yourself instead of the person who is causing the issue to begin with.

 

[SammyZZ]

What about a judge job, that you need either white-list or a huge level to go as/voted in? I'm currently taking Criminal Justice classes and I think having a judge sentence people would be cool. You could set it up so it uses the current system when no judge is online, and when a judge logs on prisoners can appeal their sentence to them. You wouldn't have to have massive, hour-long trials, maybe just have the arresting officer present the case to the judge, the defendant either call someone to defend them or defend themselves, and the judge determines their sentence.

 

[Deruta]

What about a judge job, that you need either white-list or a huge level to go as/voted in? I'm currently taking Criminal Justice classes and I think having a judge sentence people would be cool. You could set it up so it uses the current system when no judge is online, and when a judge logs on prisoners can appeal their sentence to them. You wouldn't have to have massive, hour-long trials, maybe just have the arresting officer present the case to the judge, the defendant either call someone to defend them or defend themselves, and the judge determines their sentence.

Something like this would have to go through a massive trial & error phase, as a minging Judge without whitelist/application, can just go "Reduced, reduced, free, free to all."

Either ways it would be kinda cool to see, but it also depends on the case given, and the lack of evidence the Judge would more than likely have. Unless some type of replay add-on was given, which lags harshly against most servers. Besides cases are usually held before a conviction and the judge is deemed as only the person in the Mayor position.

 

[john monolith]

If you can actually prove that you were being falsely arrested and that is why you left, I'd personally most likely unban you 9 times out of 10.
However, you'd have to be able to PROVE it.
That means showing me something that undoubtedly would qualify as an illegal arrest. Not just a picture of a guy and his steam ID along with an explanation. Too many people think that a steam ID and their own version of events is proof. It's not.

So yes, if you have proof that you got banned because of you leaving due to rulebreak, you'd most likely get unbanned.

Although, keep in mind, I can not recommend that you DC to avoid situation that you disagree with, you can run the risk of shooting yourself in the foot by incurring a longer ban on yourself instead of the person who is causing the issue to begin with.

That's not how it's been in my experience. I was once denied a ban appeal despite showing a video of me being beaten with a baton over and over again for no reason by a security guard so that I couldn't get up.

 

[Deruta]

That's not how it's been in my experience. I was once denied a ban appeal despite showing a video of me being beaten with a baton over and over again for no reason by a security guard so that I couldn't get up.

Usually depends on the circumstances given, but if you believe that something is incorrectly decided in an appeal or other forms of reports. Then you're capable of going higher in the hierarchy, just not too high seeing as let's say a newer moderation vs a veteran staff may have some differences slight differences in perspective. Also the full fledge owner should only really be contacted in the event that forums/high staff corruption occurs. Something that all ranks of staff have barely seen. Except of the recent bombing of the server through GBombs, or whatever the equivalent.

 

[Thy]

What about a judge job, that you need either white-list or a huge level to go as/voted in? I'm currently taking Criminal Justice classes and I think having a judge sentence people would be cool. You could set it up so it uses the current system when no judge is online, and when a judge logs on prisoners can appeal their sentence to them. You wouldn't have to have massive, hour-long trials, maybe just have the arresting officer present the case to the judge, the defendant either call someone to defend them or defend themselves, and the judge determines their sentence.

This has been discussed a lot since 2018, let me just put Gurra's reply to the suggestion back then.

Aside from the massive logistical challenges in operating this on a 100+ players server, there is no proper evidence system yet and a criminal court normally determines if guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt - hence, it is always going to be unrealistically difficult for police to prove any crime with real-world standards. CourtRP is a cool concept, but inefficient, high-maintenance and impractical.

That's not how it's been in my experience. I was once denied a ban appeal despite showing a video of me being beaten with a baton over and over again for no reason by a security guard so that I couldn't get up.

Sounds like there may have been something more to it than just him hitting you.
But again, as my previous post states:

you can run the risk of shooting yourself in the foot by incurring a longer ban on yourself instead of the person who is causing the issue to begin with.