Unprofessional Sit & False Ban

[Jack Everadon]

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Admin being reported: (Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @QuickSilver1937 @officernoodles @Valentino Meid

Reason for Report: Unprofessional Sit and False Ban
Time of Occurrence: 5/10/18 9:00 Central
Evidence to support your claim:

Myself, @Horrendous Gaming, and Tyler Fastige did some criminal activities, and with all our cars blown up, I decide to lockpick a police cruiser in order for us to have a ride and for a getaway. While casually driving around, we drive past bank and police told us to get out of the car but we drove off because we had automatic rifles out (in the car). After a minute or 2, we go to R10 to shoot them because we had automatic rifles in a stolen cop car. While in a shootout with the cops, @officernoodles decides to drag us all out the front with his physgun and dragged us all through the fire, causing us to lose some armor and health, mind we were all shooting at cops or were about to while he dragged us out and not telling anyone that is it going to be stopped. Right off the bat, he tells us that @pea is going to ban us all. We try asking what we are getting banned for and they reply with cop baiting, and saying that if we stole a cop car to use it as a getaway and as a ride we can't do other things with it such as park it. They then tell us that they talked with @Valentino Meid and he said that we should get a day-a couple day ban for it. We try and reason with them, but they keep going with their opinion which is ban us. @QuickSilver1937 then says we can get a higher up and then later I ask for a higher up and he says no. Quicksilver told us to report him because he is the one who issued the ban. After a very long and unprofessional sit in my opinion, we then all get banned for cop baiting and failrp. This is unprofessional in the factor that they completely went off of their opinion. Sorry for anyone's attitude in any of this, it was because we were all very angry at the fact that it was taken unprofessionally and we believe that it should not have gone like that. Kinda better explained ----> https://monolithservers.com/forums/threads/incompetent-ban.10411/#post-64441
Additional members involved/witnessing: @Horrendous Gaming Tyler Fastige

 

[officernoodles]

I unmuted my discord as I just finished a sit and I heard Pea asking Valentino about Cop Baiting at Richards 10. I fly over there and a couple seconds after Valentino said to void the whole RP situation and ban them for Cop Baiting. I then told one of the police officers to void RP and they even asked in OOC to confirm. I then dragged them out of the house and into an open area to where all the staff members involved could speak among each other which was near the back gate at Richards 10. There was a fire near the front door from a previously blown up cop car so when I was pulling them out of the doorway they got stuck a couple of times and burned for maybe a second or two. They were all then frozen outside Richards 10 and I said to wait for Pea as he was still talking to Valentino about the situation over discord. Over the course of maybe the next 6 minutes Pea, Quicksilver, and Valentino discussed the punishment and the situation it's self. I did not participate in the discussion since I was just observing the situation and it wasn't my sit. They come to the agreement of banning them each for a day for Cop Baiting. Quicksilver then issued out the bans and I kicked the players he banned ( since he banned using steamid ). That and stopping the RP is the only thing I dealt with during this situation. I have shadow play recording of the sit itself, if requested I'll upload it. I am going to leave the rest to the higher ups and the other staff members involved in this situation.

 

[Jack Everadon]

I have just put the video in of little bit after we got the car till when we got banned.

 

[[Snow] Tyler]

I was one of the members involved I’ve never heard cop baiting is when you steal a cop car I’m confused. ALSO it’s like saying walking with a rifle on ur back is cop baiting. CAN you plz sight the rule that say you can’t steal a cop car and drive it

 

[Stuvi]

ALSO it’s like saying walking with a rifle on ur back is cop baiting.

Not gonna lie but that is legit cop baiting, especially if you use it against them if they try to approach you about it. Why else would you walk around with a rifle out.

 

[Valentino]

Hello @Jack Everadon, I got told that you guys were driving around in a stolen police crown vic just so the police started following you guys and you could kill them. In the video why did you stop at red warehouse if I may ask? Because it looks like you guys did that solely so the police could catch up to you? And the "cop baiting" rule isn't specified in the rules that's true but I consider it as failRP because it just doesn't make sense to steal a police car so the cops can chase you and you can kill them. I understand that you could have stolen a police car for getaway but firstly there is no video of you doing "criminal activities" beforehand and secondly it just doesn't make sense why you guys would wait at red warehouse and drive around at supermarket and not going to r10 right after stealing the cop car.

Kind regards,
Valentino

 

[[Snow] Tyler]

We stoped because I previously fell out the car for no seat belt and had to reload my gun and I didn’t release that we didn’t loose it that’s why jack was screaming at me to get back in

 

[[Snow] Tyler]

@Stuvi im just confused that means every legal activity would be cop baiting if I want to carry a gun on me for protection or regardless I should be able to that’s not cop baiting cause I have a gun on my back also that’s like saying that we can’t steal cop cars if that’s the thing make it a rule because I see multiple people a day steal them and multiple people a day with guns in back

 

[Lola Meid]

@Stuvi im just confused that means every legal activity would be cop baiting if I want to carry a gun on me for protection or regardless I should be able to that’s not cop baiting cause I have a gun on my back also that’s like saying that we can’t steal cop cars if that’s the thing make it a rule because I see multiple people a day steal them and multiple people a day with guns in back

It is against the law to have rifles on you off property --> cops will go after you --> you doing that on purpose whilst going to the supermarket --> copbaiting.

 

[[Snow] Tyler]

We where not st supermarket but we can have guns on us in a car

 

[[Snow] Tyler]

I will be on discord in a hour if any of you want to discuss this because this rule is a grey area

 

[Tyler]

I will be on discord in a hour if any of you want to discuss this because this rule is a grey area

It's not though, you may not have 100% intentionally wanted cops to come after you, but walking around with guns out for no reason is indeed cop baiting.

 

[[Snow] Tyler]

It's not though, you may not have 100% intentionally wanted cops to come after you, but walking around with guns out for no reason is indeed cop baiting.

we where not walking around with them thats why we got the cop car

 

[Jack Everadon]

We had guns because we are a powerful organization and carry guns on us 24/7 and just got out of some criminal activities saying that we could not deposit them anyways. We stopped at the red warehouse because Tyler didn't have his seatbelt on and we crashed so he had to reload his gun. I would have put the criminal activities but then it would be like an hour video. Cop's did not go after us because of the guns, it's because of the stolen cop cars. We didn't stop at the red warehouse because cops were chasing us, like I said we stopped because Tyler got out and had to reload his gun. I started driving back because it wouldn't have been a smart decision to try and turn all way back around when the cop was right there.

There's a difference between cop baiting/rules and a powerful organization.

 

[QuickSilver1937]

@Jack Everadon You were not simply banned for just having the guns on your back and all that, the main reason you guys were banned was because when you guys stole the cops car, you drove it around the city slowly and not running from the cops. In the sit you said the reason you stole the cop car was to get away from the cops, but if that were the reason, then why would you not have done that? You guys got out of the cops sight and when you realized this you stopped the car and in the recording one of you even said the cops were somewhere behind you so you guys drove towards the cops slowly until they saw you and when that happened you immediately went to Richards 10 with the intention to just kill them all and that was your intention from the beginning. The ban that was handed out to you was discussed by the staff team on at that time and when we told you that Valentino also supported the idea of the ban, you said "can we have a higher up like an admin or senior admin handle this?". After I informed you that Valentino was an admin, you then said "can we have Tyler or Realz handle this since they are on discord?". I denied your request since I had talked to a higher up and even if I didn't, I don't have to do that, I am responsible for my actions and in my own opinion, the time for your ban was very reasonable and was deserved. I have nothing else to add to my side of the story.

 

[Jack Everadon]

@Jack Everadon You were not simply banned for just having the guns on your back and all that, the main reason you guys were banned was because when you guys stole the cops car, you drove it around the city slowly and not running from the cops. In the sit you said the reason you stole the cop car was to get away from the cops, but if that were the reason, then why would you not have done that? You guys got out of the cops sight and when you realized this you stopped the car and in the recording one of you even said the cops were somewhere behind you so you guys drove towards the cops slowly until they saw you and when that happened you immediately went to Richards 10 with the intention to just kill them all and that was your intention from the beginning. The ban that was handed out to you was discussed by the staff team on at that time and when we told you that Valentino also supported the idea of the ban, you said "can we have a higher up like an admin or senior admin handle this?". After I informed you that Valentino was an admin, you then said "can we have Tyler or Realz handle this since they are on discord?". I denied your request since I had talked to a higher up and even if I didn't, I don't have to do that, I am responsible for my actions and in my own opinion, the time for your ban was very reasonable and was deserved. I have nothing else to add to my side of the story.

We stole the cop car as a getaway from the cops and as a ride because all our cars were blown up. I did not stop the car, I tried drifting but it ended up not drifting so thats when Tyler got out to reload his gun.

 

[Jack Everadon]

Also, I would like to bring up, I do not feel that we should all be banned while we did not know this was against cop baiting at all.

 

[Stuvi]

Under review.

 

[Stuvi]

Due to the fact that you were infact cop baiting I am going to deny this staff report. You had no reason to stop at the red warehouse with a stolen police vehicle - your excuses for "he didn't have his seatbelt on" or "he needed to reload" are made up and in no way a reason for a sudden stop so the police force can catch up to you. If you hadn't stopped you would be far gone already.

The sit in itself could and should have been handled way differently. If you want to void a RP situation, call for it in OOC, !announce and/or mrp_alert (console) so both parties put it to a halt/stop. Physgunning during a RP situation should not be done at all as it disrupts other participants that might not be part of that admin sit. If you want to hold a admin sit, move it up to a rooftop or locked area where no other parties are able to interrupt you.