Wright And Michale Report

[WhiteTiger2643]

Your Steam Name: WhiteTiger2643
Your Steam ID:STEAM_0:0:94509962
Your Character Name (If Applicable ): Jayden SMith


Admin being reported: (Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @wright @michale


Reason for Report: Legit banned me for saying that I was gonna make a staff report if he didn't lt m screenshare evidence. Michale claimed a sit right, and he asked for video to prov that I didn't break raid timer. I then say I can screen share you the video. he says no upload it. I don't think I should have to upload a video when i can easily screenshare it and replay at any point of the video. He then said if you don't upload it i'm giving you the punishment. and i said then if you punish me i'm just gonna make a staff report. What part of that is disrespectful. Also they failed to let me upload my video which I was in the process of doing it before giving me the punishment for it. I think this is outrages that a staff member thinks that's disrespectful if i state that I'm uploading the video to the staff report if you give me the punishment without giving me time to upload it
Time of Occurrence:
Evidence to support your claim:

Additional members involved/witnessing: @Sweatyfatninja

 

[Sweatyfatninja]

I was apart of the sit, I do agree Michael was being a bit 1 sided during the sit, I feel it was because another staff member made the report on us. Michael was refusing to watch the video via screen share when Jayden was trying to defend, he was saying that he wouldn't watch the video if Jayden were to screen share it through discord. Jayden was saying that he has bad internet and that an upload would take a very long time, and once he started to upload it, Michael had already made up his mind. He gave me 2 warning points and Wright jayden a 1 week ban. In the ban it said that he was disrespecting staff, I do agree Jayden was a bit snippy but he did have a reason, the staff taking the report refused to let jayden show him the video, and while uploading the video, he was banned. I feel that this sit was wrong, and we were never shown the video that Michael was using against us because I had admin chat in it. This sit seemed very one sided.

 

[WhiteTiger2643]

I never said anything in the sit that was disrespectful at all. I stated that if the person reporting me put a staff report on michale for not dealing with the sit correctly, that I would upload the video and add it to the report to defend michale. Not once in that sit did i say I was making a staff report at all.

 

[Michael]

Hello,

I am sorry that you feel that I acted unfairly towards you. However, throughout the sit I had asked you numerous times to be patient with me as I wanted to be thorough in looking through the evidence presented to me. In a similar manner that I requested Forsai’s video, I requested yours to be uploaded. By uploading the video, it allows me to rewatch and scrub through the video in a more effective manner than what is possible through a Discord screen-share. Numerous times I had kindly requested that you upload the video especially due to the complexity of the situation. You continued to refuse my request and wanted a higher-up to come before you would upload it.

@Sweatyfatninja had asked during the sit if you guys could be linked the video, as the video linked to me contained information from administrative channels it could not be shared unless that information was censored. This fact of me not being able to share the video containing the privileged information is not my personal decision but rather a guideline that I have to follow. Due to this I replied that the video could be shared but only if it was censored, which would not be able to happen in the short time frame.

As you were being reluctant to share your recording through uploading it and from the video that I was shown coupled with damage logs time matched to the video, I decided to proceed with handing out the punishment. I started by bringing @Sweatyfatninja to the other section of the roof and gave him his punishment of two (2) warning points for the first offense of counter-raiding the police. By the time that I had returned to the other side of the roof that is when you were banned by wright. Throughout the sit you were disrespectful to both wright and me; additionally, you continued to talk over me when I kindly requested that you let me finish my statement in its entirety. I can see where wright viewed your actions as being disrespectful and unwarranted.


~ Michael

 

[WhiteTiger2643]

But I didnt say anything disrespectful towards you. Yes I was pissed off that my time was being wasted when I could easily just prove to you on discord that we never came back to the base. I dont understand why u need to watch a clip a million times when I can easily just show you that we left and left the area and only killed in self defense. There was no reason to upload a 6 minute long video when I mentioned in the sit the timestamps of us killing cops but u refused to listen. I never once requested for higher up I simply asked since Wright was already present in the sit if I could instead screen share to him. Not once did I insult you or curse you out or anything of that matter. The part which Wright thought was rude was when I mentioned that I would actually upload the video if the person reporting me would report Michael for not dealing with the sit correctly in which I would post the video to legit defend you Michael from being called abusive. I can completely understand why u wanted to look further into the evidence but there was no point at all when my video that I wanted to screen share very clearly showed that I never countered the cops. We just think the sit was bias because you made it so difficult for us and it upset me because I said I needed to leave soon and didnt have time to upload the video and it would be a lot faster on discord. Also just because I raise my voice or sound petty dkesnt mean I'm being disrespectful it's jusy who I am. I legit spoke to thy yesterday about the legitimacy of saying something is disrespect because you could take anything that I say that you dont agree with and say oh I have an attitude which is why I was unbanned by thy because he saw no evidence or proof of disrespect.

Also I said during the sit I was uploadung video but u failed to even view the video before I was even given a chance to show u guys it. I feel like the ban shouldn't have happen till the video was shown because regardless if you think I disrespected the ban length would be shorter. You both completely ignored the fact that I was uploading it and I have video of the end of the sit where Wright completely refused to show him the video. If need be I can upload it.

Also I never said anything disrespectful towards Wright and I have video of that as well. You say I'm disrespectful but cant even tell me how I disrespsected you or Wright. Also you said wait for me to finish, and you said your part I waited then i began to talk, but for some reason apparently you weren't done talking even tho you weren't saying anything at all both @sweatyfatninia and the mod reporting me can witness and testify for me.

 

[Sweatyfatninja]

Also I never said anything disrespectful towards Wright and I have video of that as well. You say I'm disrespectful but cant even tell me how I disrespsected you or Wright. Also you said wait for me to finish, and you said your part I waited then i began to talk, but for some reason apparently you weren't done talking even tho you weren't saying anything at all both @sweatyfatninia and the mod reporting me can witness and testify for me.

Yea the whole part were you were asking to let you finish speaking was a bit odd, there is a huge mic delay on gmod so it's kinda difficult to not talk over people

 

[WhiteTiger2643]

Like I seriously did stop talking to let you finish but everytime that u stopped talking I waited then began talking but of course right when u talked there is a delay for me so my words were already coming out before u heard it or talked at all I feel like the whole talking over part is not a valid point.

 

[Perry]

Don't triple post, if you want to add something to your previous statement, edit your old post. This is not the first time I see you do this.

You are hereby warned.

 

[PMX]

There are a few things I would like to mention here, since I watched part of the sit, not all:

According to Michael, he had enough evidence (logs and Forsai's video) to punish you. This was when you said you had a video that showed you not breaking any rules. He requested you to upload it numerous times and you said you would only screenshare. The sit took a long time to be dealt with due to that, and that is unacceptable. If a staff member requests you to do something, you do it.

In this case, after the several attempts of asking you to upload the evidence, wright got out of noclip and stated the evidence at hand would be the only ones considered in the sit, as they were enough, according to Michael, and you would be punished. At this moment, you started saying you were already uploading the video and you told them not to punish you immediately, due to that.

The part which Wright thought was rude was when I mentioned that I would actually upload the video if the person reporting me would report Michael for not dealing with the sit correctly in which I would post the video to legit defend you Michael from being called abusive.

and i said then if you punish me i'm just gonna make a staff report.

I'm uploading the video to the staff report if you give me the punishment without giving me time to upload it

This statement is completely false, and you are contradicting yourself. Forsai was the reporting party and therefore he would never make a staff report on another staff member. Those kinds of reports are handled internally. During the time I was there, I heard you mentioning that if you got punished, you would upload the video to make a staff report on Michael. That is what I heard, and that is what you said in your first post, therefore, I do not know why you are contradicting yourself and I don't understand how that was supposed to defend Michael.

Furthermore, during the time I was paying attention to the sit, I noticed your bad attitude towards the staff member handling it. Not only were you refusing to upload the video, but you were also threatening him with a staff report, which is unacceptable.

Also I said during the sit I was uploadung video but u failed to even view the video before I was even given a chance to show u guys it.

Also they failed to let me upload my video which I was in the process of doing it before giving me the punishment for it.

You had plenty of chances to upload the video or to state you were uploading the video. There was more than enough time. Had you said you needed more time to upload the video, they would have waited.

There is a considerable amount of staff members that complain almost daily about your attitude and behaviour in sits. They are volunteers, helping and assisting those who need it and enforcing the rules. In no way, shape or form will I tolerate you to have such a bad attitude during an administrative sit ever again. If a staff members tells you to do something you either do it or you don't. If you do not do it, then the staff member will deal with the situation accordingly. In this instance, Michael would have only used the evidence he had at that the moment. This sit should not have taken this long.

Failure to change that attitude will result in more severe punishments. You need to learn to respect our staff members. This was brought to your attention by Thy, when we were talking on discord, regarding being disrespectful. Of course, having an attitude is different, but it is still punishable and unacceptable.

Additionally, you need to change the way you speak to our staff members. Yesterday, once you were banned, you started calling me on discord and sending me messages, such as "Answer my call.", as if you were demanding something from me. Then you went on, stating you wanted this staff report to be dealt with on discord, etc. And I told you, and will tell you again, that we do not do things like that nor are you allowed to demand such things. If there was a reason to do it, it would have been done, but, in this case, there wasn't.

Had I done that, I would have opened an exception for you and we would need to do the same thing to the other players, as you are no different from other players.

Therefore, change your behaviour and attitude during admin sits. We will start extending your punishments if we hear that you were having a terrible attitude or you were being disrespectful. If you do not change your behaviour in a long term, we will remove you from the community.