Ban Appeal

[RJC]

Your Steam Name: RJC
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:155511790
Your Character Name: Angel Verelli

Ban Length: 1 week
Banning Staff Member (@AdminName to mention the staff member): @DevulTj

Ban Reason: Exploiting
Time of Occurrence: Just now 4pm 11/09/2017
Relevant Evidence: There is none, I want to get my cooking level up to get to lobster also boost my over-all level, also you went through my transactions so you know I'm legit when it comes to making my money, I've got 99 farming post 3m+ xp.
Additional members involved/witnessing: None

 

[DevulTj]

Alright. Let's make things clear.

1. You were using this and making the excuse that it was not for the money and you were wanting to level up, yet you are Level 55 in Cooking which would make me bleieve you would want this for an exploitation reason due to the XP gained from such a low level cooking item is not even worth it.
2. You lied to us both, stating how you didn't want it for the money and then when I disavowed any use of this method for gain you stated that you spent money on it so obviously you value your money.
2. I told you not to do this. @Lola Meid also told you not to do this. You disobeyed two staff members and continued without any permission as this is exploiting.

Your attitude post-ban was completely disappointing. You had a temper in the Discord chat with an argumentitive stature.

This kind of attitude will extend your ban to two weeks if you're not careful.

I'll leave this open for any other Community Manager or Server Director to comment but it's not looking good so far.

 

[RJC]

So what if I'm a high level? that doesn't mean anything, I'm also a high level in mining doesn't mean I'm gonna mine High level resources does it? Everyone values money, because it's money like If I spent money on a game I ain't just gonna not play it, I didn't have a temper I was simply stating the reasons and talking.

 

[DevulTj]

So what if I'm a high level? that doesn't mean anything, I'm also a high level in mining doesn't mean I'm gonna mine High level resources does it? Everyone values money, because it's money like If I spent money on a game I ain't just gonna not play it, I didn't have a temper I was simply stating the reasons and talking.

In-game you stated that you didn't do it for the money, and that you have a lot of money so it won't matter, but then you now state that you value it?

Yes, you had a temper. I have the logs for it.



You have an attitude towards staff. That needs to end. You were even referred to become a Mentor but you were not due to your attitude.

I'm going to edit your ban to include more reasons now.

 

[RJC]

In-game you stated that you didn't do it for the money, and that you have a lot of money so it won't matter, but then you now state that you value it?

Never said I didn't value money...

I have an attitude towards "some" staff not all, Don't get why you are talking about me becoming a Mentor, that has nothing to do with anything, Yeah I'd like to help new players so they actually stay on the server and know what they are doing, Is it such a bad thing to try and keep people on the server?

EDIT: You updated my ban reason to "Lying to staff" But I'm not okay then.

 

[Spartan ◢ ◤]

Locked until further review by another CM

 

[Gurra]

Unlocked, I want to ask a question.

@RJC If I understand it correctly you simply went ahead and did something after you had been told by staff not to? Do you admit to this?

 

[American_Operator]

Let me just say I'm an actual witness in all of this and I can be blamed for using the same method, I was one of the roots to the method but none the less how can we get banned for simply taking advantage of something that you fail to see or fix. This has been a thing for a month now and staff have even come up to me and said "ah I see your cooking" looked in my stoves and did nothing about it. The real reason he was banned was of insubordination which I don't disagree with but the anger I see where it comes from, it comes from being banned for utilizing one of the many things the development team and the staff fails to do anything about. Not trying to down the staff or discredit, but if I was in the staff there are some more serious issues I'd be having my
Eyes on rather then this petty offense that was given the punishment of a misdemeanor. Thank you and have a wonderful day ladies and gentlemen.

 

[RJC]

Unlocked, I want to ask a question.

@RJC If I understand it correctly you simply went ahead and did something after you had been told by staff not to? Do you admit to this?

I admit to this.

 

[Squidler]

I don't see how this is an issue really. It is using a method to make money that is provided by the developers. If you mass produce a product of course you will make product, it just turns out that bacon was something very quick to do and uncommon. I think the ban is unjust as it is provided in the game and is not game breaking in my opinion. I respect the fact that you don't like how much easier it is to gain money from this method but it was still a lot of work to manage. I took 15 minutes to make 30k and 1 hour to make 120k. Basically a little bit more than LSD. I am going to admit that I found this method. I spent my entire days using this method and tried keeping it a secret from the population INSIDE of RP. Not from administrators. I am not going to share a great method with anyone because of course it would spread like wildfire as it did now. The solution is not banning the person for using it, it would be nerfing the method if you deem it too fast to earn RP money inside of a video game where people attempt to have fun and not grind hours.

 

[Gurra]

I admit to this.

Disobeying staff directions alone is quite unacceptable.

 

[40K]

@American_Operator Seems like the issue with this is that it's an exploit and so if it's an exploit and staff tells you not to do it, you have to listen, regardless. Not everything that can be exploited is intentional, same as glitches, so keep that in mind. If nobody knows about it, that's up to the individual to continue on but when Staff finds out and asks others to not exploit whatever it is they're exploiting and then they continue to do so, even if it's one time after being asked, then yea, the person(s) will be subject to punishment.

 

[Squidler]

@American_Operator Seems like the issue with this is that it's an exploit and so if it's an exploit and staff tells you not to do it, you have to listen, regardless. Not everything that can be exploited is intentional, same as glitches, so keep that in mind. If nobody knows about it, that's up to the individual to continue on but when Staff finds out and asks others to not exploit whatever it is they're exploiting and then they continue to do so, even if it's one time after being asked, then yea, the person(s) will be subject to punishment.

To be fair I figured out this method myself and spread it throughout the Valentine's as our ingame business. We kept it a secret on purpose so we could become richer. Obviously it got leaked and now people do it and make up stupid excuses. I did it for the money and exp as it was provided to me and was never told not to do it as it was perfectly allowed.

 

[American_Operator]

@American_Operator Seems like the issue with this is that it's an exploit and so if it's an exploit and staff tells you not to do it, you have to listen, regardless. Not everything that can be exploited is intentional, same as glitches, so keep that in mind. If nobody knows about it, that's up to the individual to continue on but when Staff finds out and asks others to not exploit whatever it is they're exploiting and then they continue to do so, even if it's one time after being asked, then yea, the person(s) will be subject to punishment.

I can agree with that statement, which is why I said that I agree to the insubordination punishment but an entire week because he was insubordinate. I've seen people do way worse and get let back into the server because they have friends in high places or they have a loved one in a staff position. Personally even though my opinion doesn't carry much weight I feel angel should not receive a one week ban, I feel as if he is not a big time offender or rule breaker and he is one of the many reasons why I enjoy joining the server everyday he is an inspiration to many veterans in the server. We're all human and we all make mistakes such as insubordination ladies and gentlemen and I do agree it should not go unpunished but the fact that he was given a severe punishment for a misdemeanor offense (insubordination regarding a staff member) is quite absurd.

 

[Squidler]

What I find strange is that the Moderator (Chris Verelli) flew into Victor Valentine's base (American_Operator's) base and saw he was doing bacon and spread it to Angel Verelli which is metagame and extremely against the rules.

 

[Lazmin]

What I find strange is that the Moderator (Chris Verelli) flew into Victor Valentine's base (American_Operator's) base and saw he was doing bacon and spread it to Angel Verelli which is metagame and extremely against the rules.

What do you mean "Spread it"? Also moderators flying into houses to check for rule breaks / exploits is not uncommon

 

[RJC]

Disobeying staff directions alone is quite unacceptable.

Yeah, I'm sorry about this.

EDIT: https://monolithservers.com/forums/threads/player-report.4954/#post-28175

 

[Squidler]

What do you mean "Spread it"? Also moderators flying into houses to check for rule breaks / exploits is not uncommon

Chris told Angel out of RP about how bacon possibly makes money which is metagame and abusive on Chris for taking admin privileges into RP.

 

[Spartan ◢ ◤]

@Gurrazor conclusion?

 

[RJC]

So LSD is exploiting because it makes you money?
So Farming is exploiting because it makes you money?