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Your Steam Name: 40K
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:121022790
Your Character Name: Vinny Valente

Ban Length: 1 Day
Banning Staff Member (@AdminName to mention the staff member): @Shawntae

Ban Reason: RDM and Disrespectful Behavior
Time of Occurrence: About 3:00 PM EST
Relevant Evidence: N/A (Shadow Play wasn't functioning so couldn't save video footage)
Additional members involved/witnessing: Don't recall the player's name, shadowplay was not functioning.

So it started off like this. I was in my car, parked on the side with my blinker on, indicating that I was pulled over and parked when a cadet came up and gave me a ticket for illegal parking. I made about 2 or 3 ticket appeals with literally 3-5 sentences in all the appeals I made describing the situation yet my ticket was getting denied within 2 seconds of making the appeal which means they're not even reading it they're just doing !appeal and immediately clicking deny. So, I continued the RP obviously, I went down to the PD but the Chief at the time was busy and then was taking a couple of sits so as I was waiting for him, he ended up stepping down from Chief after the sits and then the next Chief attended to something for about 19 minutes or so of which I was waiting in the PD office still. Multiple sergeants came by, all young children or they just ignored me asking them where the Chief was and how I needed to appeal my ticket and wanted to talk to him about it. Finally, the Chief shows up, so I'm in-character frustrated and I say hey what the fuck? I been waiting here for almost an hour now, none of your sergeants listen and I'm trying to appeal a ticket, which they deny immediately without reading my appeal, your sergeants are pretty fucking lousy.

So the Chief decides to be very emotional and incapable of dealing with the situation properly by telling me to calm down or trying to get me to calm down, he instantly reverts to disregarding my situation and says he isn't going to deal with it no matter what which he also broke RP in the same sentence asking me to get staff if I wanted it appealed, then after said for me to go talk to one of his sergeants even though none of them listen anyway. Given this response (this is all still in RP by the way) I decide to get and get a gun to come back to the PD and take it upon myself. I had the Chief at gunpoint and the PD door was left open so when I told him hands up at least 3-4 times, he tried running away which right there is fail RP and thanks to the door being left open as he was going to close it, I was able to follow him, just right around the corner I chased him to which he stopped and put his hands up and since he fear RPd, I took him into his office, executed him immediately and went looking for the sergeants that ignored me. I ended up killing another Officer when I was going back to the desk and there was 2 other sergeants there which one of them had no firearm out while I had my gun looking at him and he pulls a pistol out and kills me. This same sergeant that did this, I have a report and youtube video of him doing the same thing so it's not his first time. Anyway, he killed me, all of this way still pertaining to role-play and from what I did to the Chief, he files a report which I had no problems with because I didn't do anything the server rules state I can not do.

The Staff member tries to say that I broke the rule of killing him for being given a ticket, yet the Chief was not the one that gave me the ticket, it happened waaaaay before. So, given the Chief's in-character response and the server rule only pertaining to the fact that you can not kill the person giving you a ticket, solely because you're getting a ticket, what I did can't possibly be RDM. The whole situation was in-character. The Chief also lied in sit which unfortunately since my Shadow Play wasn't functioning so I could not save video footage of the incident, he said I never told him to put his hands up until he was around the corner which is complete bullshit and for anyone that's dealt with my reports, I've never made anything up and I've always been completely honest. If I did something wrong, I rightly admit to it and I'm fine with whatever the outcome is, in both IC and OOC. What pisses me off, is what Staff members start using opinions to justify a situation in a sit instead of the server rules themselves. I asked him for which server rule I broke and all he said was "You can't do what you did that's RDM". The whole point of a moderator is to moderate the server. How can you moderate on a server taking reports if you don't even know the server rules? It's fine if a Staff member goes like "Oh give me a moment let me double check just to be sure" No, this guy just said what I did was RDM, denied telling me what server rule I broke and I've already dealt with staff members like this multiple times.

Two nights ago if not for Aaron I would've been banned for RDM or got warning points, because someone walked up to me with a gun after shooting at someone's vehicle for no reason so I deemed him a threat as he proceeded towards me with his gun out and then two people next to me, both of them being staff, say "Oh I kind of want their guns, should we intervene?" They both had AK rifles on their back and get out of their vehicle and try saying its RDM when I killed them, as if I'm going to stand there and wait to find out if they're going to let me live and keep my gun or mug me or whatever, and I had to get Aaron because they were using their opinion to justify it was RDM instead of the server rules. This is the kind of shit I was dealing with back when I played, I come back nearly 3 months later and it's still the same...

People think I over exaggerate or I try to make reports to try and benefit my own gain because things don't go my way, this is beyond far from true because I could really not give two shits about not getting my own way over a video game lmfao, as falsely assumed by some Staff and some players, but the reason I often correct people when they're breaking server rules and push more of a serious RP mindset, is so the players learn. Even when I lost Mentor, I was still mentoring more than all the Mentors on the server combined and I was one of the only people willing to spend an hour and even longer, to get people started and help them understand some basic rules to keep them out of trouble and I went through the rules with them thoroughly. Most people on the server truly don't give a shit, that's why people have problems with me, is because I state the server rules how they are and I try to enforce them in all situations and I won't cut anyone slack, I'm hard on people at all times to make sure it doesn't happen or doesn't happen again and I also try keeping them from breaking rules while they're doing so, because I want the population to grow so the player base is much bigger all 24 hours around the clock and the facts speak for itself and it's much more enjoyable when everyone knows the rules.

The Valentines are quitting, many people in Luciano quit, good staff members have stepped down and/or quit the server. The server is losing many active players that actually role-played on the server and it's because of shit like this and because of people with a DarkRP mindset that come on here and try taking over including some people that have ended up becoming Staff. While I still appreciate the server, I'm losing interest in playing because too many players want the server to be DarkRP and I joined in the first place because it was not a DarkRP based server. A couple of friends got so frustrated with this very problem that they intentionally MRDM to get permanently banned from the server because they didn't want to come back. It's just gotten too ridiculous for me to take some of the Staff and its player base serious anymore.

Anyway, I don't see how my situation with the Chief is not considered role-playing, it's most definitely role-play and he broke 2 rules by breaking fear RP and lying in sit. All I ask for is people to be honest, it's not hard at all. At this point, I have hardly any motivation to stay on the server any longer from some Staff members and players trying to turn this semi-serious RP server into a DarkRP server and if it's going to be DarkRP, I'm not staying around.

[EDIT]: I also contacted 911 after killing the Chief, informing the Police Force I killed the Chief inside his office. I stayed in-character the whole time and in-character, was willing to do what I did and acknowledge any consequence.
 
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I like how the video doesn't include when I was told to call staff which was no more than 30-40 seconds prior to what's in the video, this is what I mean. People like this ruin this server with their self centered lifestyle. One of the Staff that answered my report also told me to open a report if the Chief was not willing to deal with the situation in-character. I don't recall who the Staff was but it was possibly Justin or someone with the last name of Wong.

[EDIT]: Also see in the second video link, he only recorded himself when I had him at gunpoint the second time. Why not ask him for video footage of 10 seconds before it so you can see when I first had him at gun point and he ran away? Liars on this server and very bad liars.
 
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at no point in the video did i break rp. you came in the pd talking bad about the sergeants then expected me to help you? that wasn't gonna happen with me i told you to contact a sergeant about it otherwise you have to pay it. then 7 minutes later you came in with a mp5 and took me hostage for about 10 to 15 seconds and killed me. you never said a word when you did, you didnt give any commands, you just murdered me. and you consider that RP?
 

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Stop talking bullshit and upload more video footage of the incident instead of a few seconds so the Staff handling this appeal can see what actually happened. You're trying to keep it one-sided with the advantage of having video footage while my Shadow Play wasn't even able to function. You know you fear RP'd and that's why you only showed me with with you at gun point on the corner. Show staff how I got into the PD in the first place and got you at gun point around the wall. I killed you because you fear RPd, that's why I took you in your office and executed you. Stop procrastinating and upload the video footage of the full incident, you're fucking lying just to protect your moderator status and it's disappointing that you're Staff and won't be honest about what actually happened.
 

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Your Steam Name: 40K
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:121022790
Your Character Name: Vinny Valente

Ban Length: 1 Day
Banning Staff Member (@AdminName to mention the staff member): @Shawntae

Ban Reason: RDM and Disrespectful Behavior
Time of Occurrence: About 3:00 PM EST
Relevant Evidence: N/A (Shadow Play wasn't functioning so couldn't save video footage)
Additional members involved/witnessing: Don't recall the player's name, shadowplay was not functioning.

So it started off like this. I was in my car, parked on the side with my blinker on, indicating that I was pulled over and parked when a cadet came up and gave me a ticket for illegal parking. I made about 2 or 3 ticket appeals with literally 3-5 sentences in all the appeals I made describing the situation yet my ticket was getting denied within 2 seconds of making the appeal which means they're not even reading it they're just doing !appeal and immediately clicking deny. So, I continued the RP obviously, I went down to the PD but the Chief at the time was busy and then was taking a couple of sits so as I was waiting for him, he ended up stepping down from Chief after the sits and then the next Chief attended to something for about 19 minutes or so of which I was waiting in the PD office still. Multiple sergeants came by, all young children or they just ignored me asking them where the Chief was and how I needed to appeal my ticket and wanted to talk to him about it. Finally, the Chief shows up, so I'm in-character frustrated and I say hey what the fuck? I been waiting here for almost an hour now, none of your sergeants listen and I'm trying to appeal a ticket, which they deny immediately without reading my appeal, your sergeants are pretty fucking lousy.

So the Chief decides to be very emotional and incapable of dealing with the situation properly by telling me to calm down or trying to get me to calm down, he instantly reverts to disregarding my situation and says he isn't going to deal with it no matter what which he also broke RP in the same sentence asking me to get staff if I wanted it appealed, then after said for me to go talk to one of his sergeants even though none of them listen anyway. Given this response (this is all still in RP by the way) I decide to get and get a gun to come back to the PD and take it upon myself. I had the Chief at gunpoint and the PD door was left open so when I told him hands up at least 3-4 times, he tried running away which right there is fail RP and thanks to the door being left open as he was going to close it, I was able to follow him, just right around the corner I chased him to which he stopped and put his hands up and since he fear RPd, I took him into his office, executed him immediately and went looking for the sergeants that ignored me. I ended up killing another Officer when I was going back to the desk and there was 2 other sergeants there which one of them had no firearm out while I had my gun looking at him and he pulls a pistol out and kills me. This same sergeant that did this, I have a report and youtube video of him doing the same thing so it's not his first time. Anyway, he killed me, all of this way still pertaining to role-play and from what I did to the Chief, he files a report which I had no problems with because I didn't do anything the server rules state I can not do.

The Staff member tries to say that I broke the rule of killing him for being given a ticket, yet the Chief was not the one that gave me the ticket, it happened waaaaay before. So, given the Chief's in-character response and the server rule only pertaining to the fact that you can not kill the person giving you a ticket, solely because you're getting a ticket, what I did can't possibly be RDM. The whole situation was in-character. The Chief also lied in sit which unfortunately since my Shadow Play wasn't functioning so I could not save video footage of the incident, he said I never told him to put his hands up until he was around the corner which is complete bullshit and for anyone that's dealt with my reports, I've never made anything up and I've always been completely honest. If I did something wrong, I rightly admit to it and I'm fine with whatever the outcome is, in both IC and OOC. What pisses me off, is what Staff members start using opinions to justify a situation in a sit instead of the server rules themselves. I asked him for which server rule I broke and all he said was "You can't do what you did that's RDM". The whole point of a moderator is to moderate the server. How can you moderate on a server taking reports if you don't even know the server rules? It's fine if a Staff member goes like "Oh give me a moment let me double check just to be sure" No, this guy just said what I did was RDM, denied telling me what server rule I broke and I've already dealt with staff members like this multiple times.

Two nights ago if not for Aaron I would've been banned for RDM or got warning points, because someone walked up to me with a gun after shooting at someone's vehicle for no reason so I deemed him a threat as he proceeded towards me with his gun out and then two people next to me, both of them being staff, say "Oh I kind of want their guns, should we intervene?" They both had AK rifles on their back and get out of their vehicle and try saying its RDM when I killed them, as if I'm going to stand there and wait to find out if they're going to let me live and keep my gun or mug me or whatever, and I had to get Aaron because they were using their opinion to justify it was RDM instead of the server rules. This is the kind of shit I was dealing with back when I played, I come back nearly 3 months later and it's still the same...

People think I over exaggerate or I try to make reports to try and benefit my own gain because things don't go my way, this is beyond far from true because I could really not give two shits about not getting my own way over a video game lmfao, as falsely assumed by some Staff and some players, but the reason I often correct people when they're breaking server rules and push more of a serious RP mindset, is so the players learn. Even when I lost Mentor, I was still mentoring more than all the Mentors on the server combined and I was one of the only people willing to spend an hour and even longer, to get people started and help them understand some basic rules to keep them out of trouble and I went through the rules with them thoroughly. Most people on the server truly don't give a shit, that's why people have problems with me, is because I state the server rules how they are and I try to enforce them in all situations and I won't cut anyone slack, I'm hard on people at all times to make sure it doesn't happen or doesn't happen again and I also try keeping them from breaking rules while they're doing so, because I want the population to grow so the player base is much bigger all 24 hours around the clock and the facts speak for itself and it's much more enjoyable when everyone knows the rules.

The Valentines are quitting, many people in Luciano quit, good staff members have stepped down and/or quit the server. The server is losing many active players that actually role-played on the server and it's because of shit like this and because of people with a DarkRP mindset that come on here and try taking over including some people that have ended up becoming Staff. While I still appreciate the server, I'm losing interest in playing because too many players want the server to be DarkRP and I joined in the first place because it was not a DarkRP based server. A couple of friends got so frustrated with this very problem that they intentionally MRDM to get permanently banned from the server because they didn't want to come back. It's just gotten too ridiculous for me to take some of the Staff and its player base serious anymore.

Anyway, I don't see how my situation with the Chief is not considered role-playing, it's most definitely role-play and he broke 2 rules by breaking fear RP and lying in sit. All I ask for is people to be honest, it's not hard at all. At this point, I have hardly any motivation to stay on the server any longer from some Staff members and players trying to turn this semi-serious RP server into a DarkRP server and if it's going to be DarkRP, I'm not staying around.

[EDIT]: I also contacted 911 after killing the Chief, informing the Police Force I killed the Chief inside his office. I stayed in-character the whole time and in-character, was willing to do what I did and acknowledge any consequence.
its a one day ban?though even if the admin is in the wrong a day was a short time for "rdm" i could understand if it was a couple days or a week but come on?and really nice report and sorry shadow play didn't work ive personally had problems with some admins but they make mistakes to were not all perfect and their are a lot of server rules that go in good detail so see it from the admins perspective to
 

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its a one day ban?though even if the admin is in the wrong a day was a short time for "rdm" i could understand if it was a couple days or a week but come on?and really nice report and sorry shadow play didn't work ive personally had problems with some admins but they make mistakes to were not all perfect and their are a lot of server rules that go in good detail so see it from the admins perspective to
I don't mind when people make mistakes, but you're missing the point. I'm technically serving a ban for something I didn't do wrong so regardless, even if the ban was 1 hour, I'm still going to make an appeal if I didn't do anything wrong, The problem isn't that he wasn't certain, the problem is he let his emotions do the thinking when dealing with the sit, so mods are without excuse. If they're absolutely uncertain about something, they can just be like ok hold on let me just double check, and ask a higher up for help, just to be sure, before they make a possibly wrong decision, it's that easy. Unfortunately, this mod was talking like he knew what he was talking about when he didn't. If you read my entire post then you'd already know how I feel about people breaking server rules and/or acting like the server is DarkRP or have equivalent rules as such.
 

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Hello 40K.

The main reason for the ban, was your really poor attitude and disrespectful behavior throughout the whole sit. I tried to explain to you, that killing a police officer, because he refuses to appeal your ticket is not a valid reason to kill someone. I deemed that fail RP alongside other staff members, that shared my opinion, but you would not listen to me.

When I spoke to you, you kept interupting me, saying I was "full of shit", saying that the "children sergeants" were "Idiot fucking kids", you were constantly yelling and obviously did not care nor listen to anything I said to you in the sit. When I tried to explain to you, that you could RP the situation, by putting him under gunpoint and forcing him to appeal the ticket by using fearRP, you explained that you did not want to take that risk, since that would put you in a dangerous position having to pull out your tablet to start the appeal. This indicates that you obviously, had no intention to RP the situation, but your sole purpose of this was to simply execute the police, because they wont appeal your ticket.

I tried to tell you multiple times to calm down, so that we could have a mature and civilized conversation, which you completly disregarded and kept yelling. Your behavior was VERY toxic, and had you just listened and kept a normal tone instead of yelling and disrespecting, I would have let you off with warning points. The 1 day ban as I explained in the sit, was for you to reflect over your choices, and for you to think about how you're supposed to behave and deal with both RP situations and admin situations, so that it becomes easier and more comfortable for everyone involved.
 
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Hello 40K.

The main reason for the ban, was your really poor attitude and disrespectful behavior throughout the whole sit. I tried to explain to you, that killing a police officer, because he refuses to appeal your ticket is not a valid reason to kill someone. I deemed that fail RP alongside other staff members, that shared my opinion, but you would not listen to me.

When I spoke to you, you kept interupting me, saying I was "full of shit", saying that the "children sergeants" were "Idiot fucking kids", you were constantly yelling and obviously did not care nor listen to anything I said to you in the sit. When I tried to explain to you, that you could RP the situation, by putting him under gunpoint and forcing him to appeal the ticket by using fearRP, you explained that you did not want to take that risk, since that would put you in a dangerous position having to pull out your tablet to start the appeal. This indicates that you obviously, had no intention to RP the situation, but your sole purpose of this was to simply execute the police, because they wont appeal your ticket.

I tried to tell you multiple times to calm down, so that we could have a mature and civilized conversation, which you completly disregarded and kept yelling. Your behavior was VERY toxic, and had you just listened and kept a normal tone instead of yelling and disrespecting, I would have let you off with warning points. The 1 day ban as I explained in the sit, was for you to reflect over your choices, and for you to think about how you're supposed to behave and deal with both RP situations and admin situations, so that it becomes easier and more comfortable for everyone involved.
First off, at the start of the sit I was calm, I stopped letting you talk afterwards because you made it certain that I broke a rule, a rule in which you could not specify. You tried saying I killed him because I was given a ticket and breaking that rule thereof, but I debunked that because the Chief was not the one that gave me the ticket, so you proceeded to change your story and just go with the fact that it was RDM when you didn't tell me what server rule I broke for it to be RDM. RDM specifically pertains to Random Deathmatch, yet the whole situation was in-character. RDM is not within the means of RP, so try again.

Just like the 2 clowns on Staff that tried getting me for RDM when it wasn't even RDM. I don't give a shit what punishment you want to hand out, read the server rules. If I had actually broken a server rule I would've been like yea I know, I did blah blah and so on, I would not care because I'd legitimately be subject to punishment, the only thing you can have me here in this situation for is disrespect, but that's all. I asked for you to read the server rules and tell me what rule I was breaking and you refused to tell me other than "you're going to be getting banned for RDM" and "what you did is RDM", so of course I'm going to be frustrated because you're Staff, you don't know the server rules AND you're handing out a punishment without knowing the reason why.

"Could have taken him hostage", that's a subjective statement, once again using opinion. However, I didn't, so, I'll kindly ask again like I did at the start of the sit when I wasn't raising my voice, show me the specific server rule that I'm breaking, otherwise, you're dealing with the sit based off of your emotions and your opinion. Just because you're Staff, don't feel obligated to make a decision unless you're absolutely certain, there's nothing wrong with asking/confirming with higher rankings, so stop pretending you know supposed rules.
 

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Hello 40K.

The main reason for the ban, was your really poor attitude and disrespectful behavior throughout the whole sit. I tried to explain to you, that killing a police officer, because he refuses to appeal your ticket is not a valid reason to kill someone. I deemed that fail RP alongside other staff members, that shared my opinion, but you would not listen to me.

When I spoke to you, you kept interupting me, saying I was "full of shit", saying that the "children sergeants" were "Idiot fucking kids", you were constantly yelling and obviously did not care nor listen to anything I said to you in the sit. When I tried to explain to you, that you could RP the situation, by putting him under gunpoint and forcing him to appeal the ticket by using fearRP, you explained that you did not want to take that risk, since that would put you in a dangerous position having to pull out your tablet to start the appeal. This indicates that you obviously, had no intention to RP the situation, but your sole purpose of this was to simply execute the police, because they wont appeal your ticket.

I tried to tell you multiple times to calm down, so that we could have a mature and civilized conversation, which you completly disregarded and kept yelling. Your behavior was VERY toxic, and had you just listened and kept a normal tone instead of yelling and disrespecting, I would have let you off with warning points. The 1 day ban as I explained in the sit, was for you to reflect over your choices, and for you to think about how you're supposed to behave and deal with both RP situations and admin situations, so that it becomes easier and more comfortable for everyone involved.
Oh and by the way I went over that already but you probably didn't listen. I didn't specifically kill the Police Chief because he disagreed to appeal my ticket. I killed him because of how he chose to handle the situation in the precise way he did. All of what he did and what I did pertained to in-character, except where he broke RP and still has not shown it on video footage because he knows with that proof then, from the beginning, he's already at fault.
 

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Oh and by the way I went over that already but you probably didn't listen. I didn't specifically kill the Police Chief because he disagreed to appeal my ticket. I killed him because of how he chose to handle the situation in the precise way he did. All of what he did and what I did pertained to in-character, except where he broke RP and still has not shown it on video footage because he knows with that proof then, from the beginning, he's already at fault.
You explained that you killed him, because he refused to talk about it, and refused to appeal your ticket, which still doesn't make it a legitimate reason to kill him. Besides I've already stated that the main reason for your ban, was your disrespectful and poor behavior. Besides I'm certain that executing someone, because they either refuse to speak or appeal your ticket, is against the rules, unless you're ordering them to do so while under fearRP, which was not the case in this situation.


Since you obviously still disregard everything I've said, and continue to deny it, I am not going to accept your appeal, besides the ban is going to expire very soon.

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