Cop Report

[JucaMais]

Your Steam Name: Jucamais
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:51677805
Your Character Name: Juca Mais

Target Steam Name: wright
Target SteamID: STEAM_0:1:91135411
Target Character Name (if known): No,sorry.

Request Reason:
I believe that the video shows everything that happened but even so I will explain the situation in text:
- I had come back from the mines and was going to my warehouse in port of boxer in order to crush the ores. In the middle of the way I ran a red light, which it was a mistake by my part; I complied to his orders, waited, and this policeman gave me a $500 ticket. Nothing wrong so far. After this i continued driving towards my warehouse and then i found this same policeman standing on the road which led to my car lightly hitting his car, which was not purposeful, you can see that my car's brake lights turns on before hitting his car, I really tried to brake and I couldnt imagine he was standing there right after a closed turn.
- For some reason he starts to follow me (maybe bcuz i wasnt using the car blinks) and ask me to pull over again but this time he orders me to get out of the car, differently from the previous time, which made me understand that he was going to handcuff and possibly arrest me, so I decided to evade the place.
- And here is when the situation went shit, because he tried to put me on fear rp by aiming at drivers window but when he realized he wasn’t going to make it he just threw himself in front of my car so he could get hit and have the prerogative to code red me. As you can see in the video, at no time i tried to run him over, I just wanted to get out of there. In fact, I had to avoid him several times but he kept trying to stay in front of my moving car in order to have the code red prerogative. I cant imagine a Cop irl doing the same when they are instructed to secure their own lives first, so that they can protect the lives of others.

He could have tried to block my vehicle with his own car which is something strong and can take blows, different from his body. But he had something much more stronger and more effective to stop my car, the Code Red rule. And I even knew what he was trying to do, so I tried to avoid him as much as possible until he literally throws himself in front of my vehicle when i had the clear way to flee.


When did the situation occur?: arround 4:30 AM EST 06/02/20
Your evidence to support your claim: Notice that I was watching a video on youtube, so I cut out all the parts that I was with the steam overlay opened
https://streamable.com/762vmb

Additional members involved/witnessing: No.
Read, understood and followed player report rules?: Yes

 

[Bryce]

UNDER REVIEW

 

[wright]

For some reason he starts to follow me (maybe bcuz i wasnt using the car blinks) and ask me to pull over again but this time he orders me to get out of the car, differently from the previous time, which made me understand that he was going to handcuff and possibly arrest me, so I decided to evade the place.
- And here is when the situation went shit, because he tried to put me on fear rp by aiming at drivers window but when he realized he wasn’t going to make it he just threw himself in front of my car so he could get hit and have the prerogative to code red me. As you can see in the video, at no time i tried to run him over, I just wanted to get out of there. In fact, I had to avoid him several times but he kept trying to stay in front of my moving car in order to have the code red prerogative. I cant imagine a Cop irl doing the same when they are instructed to secure their own lives first, so that they can protect the lives of others.

You were pulled over a second time because you failed to yield (among several other violations in that little amount of time...) when pulling into the dock area. Seen @ 1:38 in your video. This occurred literally right after I ticketed you for a similar traffic violation. You should have been driving more carefully at this point. I did not pull you over for hitting my vehicle as my hazard lights weren't on yet.

Here's my point of view, minus microphone audio (technical issue, but your video has all audio): https://streamable.com/1v0xm3

He could have tried to block my vehicle with his own car which is something strong and can take blows, different from his body. But he had something much more stronger and more effective to stop my car, the Code Red rule. And I even knew what he was trying to do, so I tried to avoid him as much as possible until he literally throws himself in front of my vehicle when i had the clear way to flee.

Regardless, if I'm in front of your vehicle with a weapon aimed at you... common sense is to comply with what I'm telling you. Not continue to reverse and make the decision to drive into me. I gave you several chances to comply peacefully and informed you that you would be shot if you continued to almost drive into me, placing my life in danger.


Addendum:

And here is when the situation went shit, because he tried to put me on fear rp by aiming at drivers window but when he realized he wasn’t going to make it he just threw himself in front of my car so he could get hit and have the prerogative to code red me.

Around 2:15 in your video, you technically were under FearRP, as the rules state:

[2.4] FearRP
5. When any Law Enforcement Officers have you at gunpoint, FearRP applies at all times. This however excludes Detectives.
6. FearRP only applies for vehicles if the driver is placed at gunpoint by the driver-side window. Any other instance does not constitute FearRP for the driver, and the driver and the vehicles passengers may flee.
7. When under FearRP you must obey orders given to you as long as they are within server rules.

 

[JucaMais]

You were pulled over a second time because you failed to yield (among several other violations in that little amount of time...) when pulling into the dock area. Seen @ 1:38 in your video. This occurred literally right after I ticketed you for a similar traffic violation. You should have been driving more carefully at this point. I did not pull you over for hitting my vehicle as my hazard lights weren't on yet.

Here's my point of view, minus microphone audio (technical issue, but your video has all audio): https://streamable.com/1v0xm3

Even though I find it strange, I am not complaining that you are telling me to crash my car.

Regardless, if I'm in front of your vehicle with a weapon aimed at you... common sense is to comply with what I'm telling you. Not continue to reverse and make the decision to drive into me. I gave you several chances to comply peacefully and informed you that you would be shot if you continued to almost drive into me, placing my life in danger.

No my friend, please don't try to make up that I was trying to run you over while driving my vehicle like that. You who kept on foot and running in front of my car at all costs, if I was driving the vehicle and he was often very close to you, it was your intention that this would happen so that at some point you would have the legality of the rule to code red me. You know u could simply get back to your car and chase me, but would cost a lot of time alright? I don't like to repeat myself, but I dodged you every time you stood in front of my vehicle. Again, I don't drove into you and I wasn't even trying to run you over because you and i knew that you wouldn't be able to stop my car through fear rp, then tried to stop it through the code red rule. I ask you not to try to make a fool of yourself, you know what you were doing, I know and I believe that other people do too. There are 2 videos showing the situation.

Around 2:15 in your video, you technically were under FearRP, as the rules state:

At no time on the video u pointed a gun at the driver's window. In fact you were close to doing that in 2:16, but guess what? You were more concerned with getting in front of my car and get the code red. You could have walked a little further and tried to put me on FearRP, but you didn't seemed to care anymore about it, but just wanted to get hit or consider my car dangerous being in front of him all the time. Not to mention but if you were really trying to put me under fear rp at that time and "considered" that i broke it, you could have shot me and i know you would shoot at me if I really had broken fear rp, you like to win some frags by shooting unarmed people in cars, don't you? I doubt that you would lose the opportunity to frag someone like that.

 

[wright]

Even though I find it strange, I am not complaining that you are telling me to crash my car.

I'm confused, when did I say this?

No my friend, please don't try to make up that I was trying to run you over while driving my vehicle like that. You who kept on foot and running in front of my car at all costs, if I was driving the vehicle and he was often very close to you, it was your intention that this would happen so that at some point you would have the legality of the rule to code red me.

If you truly wanted to avoid hitting me with your vehicle, you would have complied with my orders and exited. It was definitely not my intention to get hit with a moving vehicle, nor was it my intention for the situation to escalate. These were your choices. In fact, the moment you decided to pull off and drive towards me in a close vicinity, I could have disabled your vehicle then as my life was in immediate danger.

You know u could simply get back to your car and chase me, but would cost a lot of time alright? I don't like to repeat myself, but I dodged you every time you stood in front of my vehicle. Again, I don't drove into you and I wasn't even trying to run you over because you and i knew that you wouldn't be able to stop my car through fear rp, then tried to stop it through the code red rule.

I did not need to get back into my vehicle as it was already serving as a blockade. Even if you chose to dodge me, you saw there was an officer in front of your vehicle... with a weapon pointed at you, telling you to exit the vehicle. Again, common sense is to comply. Not continue to find small paths for an exist.

I ask you not to try to make a fool of yourself, you know what you were doing, I know and I believe that other people do too. There are 2 videos showing the situation.

I'm not sure how I'm making a fool of myself here, in your video I'm clearly heard telling you to exit the vehicle and giving you various warnings.

At no time on the video u pointed a gun at the driver's window. In fact you were close to doing that in 2:16, but guess what? You were more concerned with getting in front of my car and get the code red. You could have walked a little further and tried to put me on FearRP, but you didn't seemed to care anymore about it, but just wanted to get hit or consider my car dangerous being in front of him all the time. Not to mention but if you were really trying to put me under fear rp at that time and "considered" that i broke it, you could have shot me and i know you would shoot at me if I really had broken fear rp, you like to win some frags by shooting unarmed people in cars, don't you? I doubt that you would lose the opportunity to frag someone like that.

I'm sorry, but I'm not one to yell "you're under FearRP! you're under FearRP!". In character, all I knew is you were non-compliant and attempting to drive off, eventually hitting me while I was trying to get you to stop the vehicle.

Not to mention but if you were really trying to put me under fear rp at that time and "considered" that i broke it, you could have shot me and i know you would shoot at me if I really had broken fear rp,

The whole point of arresting a criminal is to arrest them without killing them. I did not want to shoot you, I wanted to detain and arrest. The moment you tried pulling off and doing all of those maneuvers made you a threat to my life, yet I still used verbal commands instead of skipping straight to disabling your vehicle.

you like to win some frags by shooting unarmed people in cars, don't you? I doubt that you would lose the opportunity to frag someone like that.

At this point, you're just typing non-sense. I've only recently started playing again and during my entire time playing on this server, I've never been one to brag about "frags" or even care about "frags". I'm role-playing as a police officer, not some mercenary or thug. My job was to detain and arrest you, not "frag" you.

Plus, if you post a full video instead of the clip, you'd hear me standing over your body asking for an EMS unit to come to the scene (it being around 3AM, there were no EMS). I stood there with your body the entire time until it went away.

 

[JucaMais]

I'm confused, when did I say this?

Sorry i mistyped it, in that phrase i did mean that i dont think you did anything wrong when u pulled me over for the second time even i found it strange.

If you truly wanted to avoid hitting me with your vehicle, you would have complied with my orders and exited. It was definitely not my intention to get hit with a moving vehicle, nor was it my intention for the situation to escalate. These were your choices. In fact, the moment you decided to pull off and drive towards me in a close vicinity, I could have disabled your vehicle then as my life was in immediate danger.

Dude listen, if you cant realize whats the problem in that action YOU did, will not be ME the one who can convince you to realize your mistakes. Btw, for third time im gonna say, YOU came on foot and put yourself in danger by standing in front of a moving car hoping to put me under fear rp and afterwards get hit and code red. If you really watch the video not just watching the parts that suit you, in the 2:08 min as soon you realize that im trying to flee you came towards my vehicle, and no, i didnt drive my vehicle towards you, i moved the vehicle forwards trying to make a turn to escape as you can see between 2:08 - 2:12. You on foot with your gun, tried to put me on fear-rp instead of going back to you car and tried to block my vehicle or start a chase, that in itself is a very unrealistic attitude because you are only leaning on your gun and in the Fear RP rule, while putting your life in danger in front of a moving car (Btw cops do that all the time and even it breaks the immersion and a chase possibility there is no rule break, so "there is no problem"). Not satisfied, after you realized that wouldn't be able to put me on fear rp, you tried to block my car with your own body at least 3 times, ending with me inevitably hitting you, and you getting everything you wanted.

I did not need to get back into my vehicle as it was already serving as a blockade. Even if you chose to dodge me, you saw there was an officer in front of your vehicle... with a weapon pointed at you, telling you to exit the vehicle. Again, common sense is to comply. Not continue to find small paths for an exist.

Thats a funny statement cause unless your car were a damn long truck i cant see how it was blocking my car, and as you can also see in the video, in fact I was able to move freely in that space and I just couldn't actually escape, because there was something much stronger blocking me, your character's fragile body and the fear to hit you and get code reded.

The whole point of arresting a criminal is to arrest them without killing them. I did not want to shoot you, I wanted to detain and arrest. The moment you tried pulling off and doing all of those maneuvers made you a threat to my life, yet I still used verbal commands instead of skipping straight to disabling your vehicle.

Plus, if you post a full video instead of the clip, you'd hear me standing over your body asking for an EMS unit to come to the scene (it being around 3AM, there were no EMS). I stood there with your body the entire time until it went away.

If its that what you wanted: https://streamable.com/xvx5wg
You say that you wanted to disable my vehicle, I can't see that because you literally shot me dead, what a great help you gave calling EMS.

I'm not sure how I'm making a fool of myself here, in your video I'm clearly heard telling you to exit the vehicle and giving you various warnings.

At this point, you're just typing non-sense. I've only recently started playing again and during my entire time playing on this server, I've never been one to brag about "frags" or even care about "frags". I'm role-playing as a police officer, not some mercenary or thug. My job was to detain and arrest you, not "frag" you.

My friend, I have nothing against and i even apologise for suggesting that you only care about frags, but you but you don't help me, im trying the best to believe on you but your attitudes did not show what you claims! How couldnt i think that when u literally get yourself to get hit by the car and instantly shot me dead when i did nothing to you previously nor i was even armed, i was getting back to my damn factory. How could u even state here thats "your job was detain me" when you killed me like that?

I will not continue this back and forth, as I said before, I am not the one who will convince you of anything. additionally i would like to leave this quote regarding this situation;


And let @Bryce decide the best.

 

[Bryce]

As you both have given good arguements, I will be locking this to deliberate. Action will be taken shortly.

 

[Bryce]

Hello @JucaMais and @wright
This one was difficult to deliberate as you both have solid points and movements in the video. But here is my conclusion:
At the 2:15 mark, under normal circumstances, wright could have gotten you under FearRP if your vehicle wasnt already in motion. After watching it about 10 times, it seems that his positioning at the drivers side window wasnt the plan, as he ended up there seemingly because he was in front of the car but you turned to the left, positioning him at the window. As you stated, it does appear that he keeps throwing himself in front of the vehicle to possibly incite a code-red scenario that was unnecessary. With that said, I will be giving punishment for ONLY FTVL as RDM wouldnt traditionally fit here since the FTVL is what put him in the code red scenario. Without the FTVL (If you went out of your way to purposefully hit him) then a code red would have been acceptable. @wright , you are receiving a VERBAL WARNING FOR FTVL as this is something you do not have any track record in. In the future, do not throw yourself in front of a vehicle as proper protocol would be keeping your person out of harms way while still attempting to control the situation.
ACCEPTED, LOCKED AND MOVED. YOU MAY MAKE A REFUND REQUEST FOR LOST ITEMS.