Cops before Crims, duh

[Jimmy Jimson]

Your Steam Name: jColborn
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:445364752
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Jimmy Jimson

Admin being reported: @na13andre

Reason for Report: FailRP, False punishments, abuse of staff powers to override government rankings.
Time of Occurrence: 4:20 AM GMT
Evidence to support your claim:

Additional members involved/witnessing: Ansly Rock, Nik Melander.
Read, understood and followed staff report rules?: Yes

I stopped Andre, a detective, from trying to revive a criminal who had shot a police officer, Berry Dingle. There's no police department in the world that would give medical attention to a criminal that they shot before reviving a police officer that was shot by them. Andre decided this was unacceptable and gave me a warning point for FailRP.

Additionally, Detectives are ranked above police officer but below sergeant. As SWAT officers are the equivalent of Sergeants, or Lieutenants in tactical situations, he does have to follow my orders and he blatantly disobeyed them and used his staff powers to overturn them.
During the sit, he said he thought the officer was dead, but it's obvious he wasn't because I was ordering him to revive the officer.

I'd like to have him warned for FailRP for disobeying orders and prioritizing a criminal over an officer for medical aid, along with some sort of staff punishment.

 

[na13andre]

After witnessing the officer get shot multiple times while he was already down on the floor, and hearing an officer call on the radio that an officer was killed, I came into the situation with the understanding that the officer was dead. Because of this, my immediate intention was to revive the criminal and take him to PD. Throughout the situation, I (along with many other officers) were under the assumption that the officer at the scene was dead. This is why other officers also attempted to tell you to leave the body alone.

As I was trying to bring the criminal back, you actively closed and blocked doors (as shown in the video) and moved the body so that I was not able to interact with it. Many officers were present at the scene and during the situation, I made it my goal to take initiative and arrest the criminal. Rather than blocking me from doing my job, trying to get one of the many other officers to bring the officer back to life would have been the best thing for you to do.

This was not a situation of choosing to save a criminal over a cop, this was an issue of misinformation (if the cop in question was indeed still alive and stabilized).
Because of your repeated attempts to stop me from arresting a criminal as a police officer, I decided to take the actions that I did and assign you a WP.

 

[Jimmy Jimson]

You never questioned whether the officer had a pulse or not, you had your mind set on reviving the criminal. This isn't realistic at all, and is therefor FailRP. I stopped you from reviving the criminal because adrenaline is very expensive, and you probably wouldn't buy another adrenaline for the officer. You never asked if the officer was still alive or not, and if you thought he was dead while I was telling you to revive him then you don't have the communication skills to handle staff situations.

Also, SWAT officers are above detectives in rank. You HAVE TO follow orders from police ranked above you. Instead of asking WHY I was stopping you from reviving the criminal if you didn't understand (I told you why multiple times), you jumped to abusing staff powers and punished me. You refused to listen to me after you pulled me onto the roof, too.

 

[StewartJames]

HI, just giving two cents as this is a PD situation - I make no comment on whether there was staff abuse.

SWAT officers take point in a tactical situation. Once a scene is clear of threats, they relinquish command of that scene. For instance, you do not see SWAT giving orders to transport suspects etc.

Separately, it isn't in policy because I thought it would be common sense that under no circumstances do you interfere with an officer rendering aid. All human life is equally valuable and so should be treated as such.

Your job as a police officer is to bring criminals into the justice system, not frag and then revive your friends.

If this suspect died you would be liable for second degree murder.

 

[Jimmy Jimson]

In the U.S., police always get aid before criminals. Look into any situation where an officer gets shot or otherwise injured.
Here, an officer got shot in the arm with a pistol while the suspect was hit at least once with a rifle. Despite the suspect suffering a more dangerous wound, the officer was airlifted while the suspect had to wait for an ambulance.

I'm not saying the criminal shouldn't get medical aid, I'm saying the officer needs it first. It's unacceptable for the suspect to be CPRed first get adrenalined while the officer was left dying in the lobby. That's why I was telling andre to get the officer.

 

[Thanewolfe]

Under review.

 

[Thanewolfe]

Hello @Jimmy Jimson,

Thank you for your report, I would like to address the RP aspect of this situation first and then follow up with the verdict.

As for the RP situation that occurred, if we are going to apply the context of Police Departments around the United States (perhaps even the world, with a few notable exceptions) I saw nothing wrong with na13andre’s actions trying to render aid to the criminal. Regardless, of whether he shot the Police Officer, it is not your decision to prevent someone from rendering aid, especially a fellow Officer. From the video I can see that there were multiple Officers present on scene who were able to render aid to the wounded Police Officer, in addition to the RP context of him being inside the hospital (medical staff would be able to render aid, etc.) Which is why I am not quite sure why you were preventing him from rendering aid in this scenario. Beyond that, you may not continuously spam “E” on doors to prevent someone from getting in, that would be considered FailRP, be more cautious with that in the future.

Now, as for the actions of na13andre, staff members are never allowed to use their staff powers to gain an “edge” in an RP situation, nor should they handle sits that personally involve themselves and issue punishments. As such, na13andre has been warned to be more careful in the future and has been notified to call a separate staff member to handle the situation.

No further action required at this time; staff report concluded.

Best Regards,
Thanewolfe.