Crime RP vs Frag RP

[FluffyGamer]

Before anything gets out of hand on this thread there is no intention and should not allude to any slander, drama, or disrespect towards the staff team/development team. I simply want to bring up a question for discussion which I'm sure much of the server has pondered at one point. I have noticed that some staff and players tend to associate all crime RP with "Frag RP". Although "Frag RP" is used more freely as a slang word to describe certain characters or actions on the server, it in itself does not represent any criminal activity. In the servers battle against Frag Rpers and the overall frag rp mindset I personally feel as though they are pushing the server too far away from crime RP and into a much more passive RP environment. Now obviously I am not saying that this game needs to feel like a search and destroy lobby in COD but at the core of this game mode is city RP. Which personally I believe encompasses all aspects of roleplay, criminal and passive. I am not going to call attention to specifics of the game mode as to not brew any disrespect towards Mark or other members of the development team but in conclusion I am simply noting that the lines between frag rp and criminal rp have become blurred in some instances and is reflected in the direction the server is heading.

 

[AnslyBuddha]

They just added two new places to raid and 3 new guns. They haven't been pushing for more passive rp as of recently

 

[Broken]

They haven't been pushing for more passive rp as of recently

The meal plating system that makes it more rewarding to get food from a passive RP restaurant?

 

[Deleted member 12627]

Crime RP is normal roleplay imo, fragRP is just toxic and I don't enjoy it anymore

 

[Deleted member 12627]

They just added two new places to raid and 3 new guns. They haven't been pushing for more passive rp as of recently

I was delivering meals to people for almost 2 hours, I mean it’s pretty epic IMO

 

[Arthgallo Trefynwy]

In the servers battle against Frag Rpers and the overall frag rp mindset I personally feel as though they are pushing the server too far away from crime RP and into a much more passive RP environment. Now obviously I am not saying that this game needs to feel like a search and destroy lobby in COD but at the core of this game mode is city RP. Which personally I believe encompasses all aspects of roleplay, criminal and passive. I am not going to call attention to specifics of the game mode as to not brew any disrespect towards Mark or other members of the development team but in conclusion I am simply noting that the lines between frag rp and criminal rp have become blurred in some instances and is reflected in the direction the server is heading.

What made you bring this up following an update that adds a new radiable location that requires coordinated criminal activity to pull off?

Right now the server is heavily favoring criminal RP - Frag RP is bullshit and interrupts the RP nature of the game when some minge just rolls up and opens fire on a group of players "because there was some rival gang member there or at least I thought there was".

 

[JucaMais]

Yall are already complaining about update, unlucky is me that can't even get past the intro screen to play it

 

[FluffyGamer]

What made you bring this up following an update that adds a new radiable location that requires coordinated criminal activity to pull off?

Right now the server is heavily favoring criminal RP - Frag RP is bullshit and interrupts the RP nature of the game when some minge just rolls up and opens fire on a group of players "because there was some rival gang member there or at least I thought there was".

I wanted to stay away from specifics in the update but I'm not sure if you have actually attempted any of the new systems but the new major heists such as the Cargo Ship or Bank are near impossible to complete even for an experienced player without putting in days and days of time and resources. To fully raid the cargo ship, you need 5 hardened drills each requiring a diamond which you can only get from the jewelry store. Every time you raid the jewelry store you have to assemble a team and use a plethora of meds, ammo, gun durability and still then have the ability to lose the raid or simply not get the diamond at all since it is not 100%. I do not know the exact chances for a diamond but for example sake, lets say out of 10 raids you survive 5 with a diamond. Each for one, each time you raid you are on a 1hr timer before you attempt again. Realistically that means that even if you were playing for longs hours with the sole purpose of raiding the jewelry store, it would take multiple days. Also keep in mind that those 5 times you failed you and all your friends lost a primary, meds, kev, ammo and even when you did survive you lost meds, ammo, and gun durability. Finally you have to now grind 55 steel bars along with other bars to craft the drills but keep in mind that your factory can get raided at anytime and you could lose all the progress on the bars or if you have the diamond on you lose that since it is drop on death. Then finally if you have successfully acquired the drills and actually make it to the boat and hold it, you can literally receive a few boxes of rifle ammo as a reward from the crate. My point being here is yes this may be plausible for the average veteran who has been stockpiled on money and guns for years but for anyone who doesn't have access to 10+ primaries and 150k to just lose this feat is impossible and virtually retains no reward other than stating, "I Did Cargo". My concluding point is that monolith has not wrote pen and paper in their rule book that you can not participate in criminal rp but I simply fear that they are moving in the direction where criminal rp will be so difficult that it will cease to exist.

 

[Deleted member 12627]

I wanted to stay away from specifics in the update but I'm not sure if you have actually attempted any of the new systems but the new major heists such as the Cargo Ship or Bank are near impossible to complete even for an experienced player without putting in days and days of time and resources. To fully raid the cargo ship, you need 5 hardened drills each requiring a diamond which you can only get from the jewelry store. Every time you raid the jewelry store you have to assemble a team and use a plethora of meds, ammo, gun durability and still then have the ability to lose the raid or simply not get the diamond at all since it is not 100%. I do not know the exact chances for a diamond but for example sake, lets say out of 10 raids you survive 5 with a diamond. Each for one, each time you raid you are on a 1hr timer before you attempt again. Realistically that means that even if you were playing for longs hours with the sole purpose of raiding the jewelry store, it would take multiple days. Also keep in mind that those 5 times you failed you and all your friends lost a primary, meds, kev, ammo and even when you did survive you lost meds, ammo, and gun durability. Finally you have to now grind 55 steel bars along with other bars to craft the drills but keep in mind that your factory can get raided at anytime and you could lose all the progress on the bars or if you have the diamond on you lose that since it is drop on death. Then finally if you have successfully acquired the drills and actually make it to the boat and hold it, you can literally receive a few boxes of rifle ammo as a reward from the crate. My point being here is yes this may be plausible for the average veteran who has been stockpiled on money and guns for years but for anyone who doesn't have access to 10+ primaries and 150k to just lose this feat is impossible and virtually retains no reward other than stating, "I Did Cargo". My concluding point is that monolith has not wrote pen and paper in their rule book that you can not participate in criminal rp but I simply fear that they are moving in the direction where criminal rp will be so difficult that it will cease to exist.

I think the whole point was to make the endgame for crims harder, in my personal opinion endgame came too fast actually. I literally got a mclaren which is 7 mil in less than a week from constantly hitting bank silent, then using said money in the casino, then grinding coke for about only 1 hour per day. I personally think having steps towards hitting the bank is healthier for the game overall because it was pretty much a scapegoat for free cash. Having to be smart about your approach at the jewelry store now since security will most likely guard it now, is a much more interactive approach in my opinion. The only thing I see wrong right now is how hard it is to get on the cargo ship, using boats to get on the ladder is so buggy. Not to mention RHIB boats only have 1 seat instead of a normal 4-5 seats they should have.

 

[Riggs]

most people frag RP its stupidly toxic. then complain when they get reported for braking the rules.
there should be something encouraging more RP, and maybe some updates for passive RP

 

[Console]

i'v done thinking and here's what I thought up. We as a community need to stop enabling the behaviours we don't like and start actually doing something. All I'v seen from most people is them complain and then when fragrp pops up or something toxic pops up, they are quiet or enable the behaviour. For example, FR server has almost EXACTLY what we have, but the player base is more into the rp then they are into crimerp & fragrp. Its a player base problem and sure they could totally add stuff to make it better but without the change of the player base, it ain't happening. Be present and think.

 

[Deleted member 12627]

i'v done thinking and here's what I thought up. We as a community need to stop enabling the behaviours we don't like and start actually doing something. All I'v seen from most people is them complain and then when fragrp pops up or something toxic pops up, they are quiet or enable the behaviour. For example, FR server has almost EXACTLY what we have, but the player base is more into the rp then they are into crimerp & fragrp. Its a player base problem and sure they could totally add stuff to make it better but without the change of the player base, it ain't happening. Be present and think.

I’ve already seen the community change for the better, I’ve been roleplaying and doing less shooting unless absolutely needed. It’s the people who are still addicted to doing nothing but cop baiting and doing shootouts that are not willing, because they aren’t here to rp they are here for loot and shoot