False warning point

[thtgeekydude]

Your Steam Name:thtgeekydude
Your Steam ID:STEAM_0:1:146832292
Your Character Name (If Applicable):Azekial leronie


Admin being reported: (Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @kevsonic


Reason for Report:We had raided a building' And When a character Broke Fear rp after being Told multiple times he tried to run into a back room and he was shot because of it' Which inturn turned into a big shootout' They had reported me due to Me Hitting the original target' But unknown to my knowledge after i had accidentally hit the person directly after behind him' But when on the roof' Kevsonic then started pushing why were we even there' We explained we were tipped off about Guns' Money and Along with the Adverts' He said we did'nt have a reason to raid and that's why he gave us the warning points but then said it was because of RDM?? Like what. We completely had a reason to raid and the sheer fact of it being broadcasted that their Dealing with large amounts of money then What will happen? Along with if it's for RDM the Video clearly shows the man In the doorway trying to run into the Room after being told three times' The fact the man directly behind him was shot was complete accident as i Couldnt even see him due to the man in the doorway'
Time of Occurrence:
Evidence to support your claim:The Multiple admins that were in the sit' Along with gm1003 originally taking the sit' Along with i suppose a video that was reported But that showed quite literally zero context Beforehand.
Additional members involved/witnessing:

 

[heyitskev]

I recognise the fact that you could not see the other man due to the doorway. I would however like to point out that your warning point was for a False Raid. You had no valid roleplay reason to raid that place. The place was open up to the public and there was clearly nothing that you could grab in there. You claimed that you wanted money which makes since because its a casino, but you also said that you knew that they had guns based on a previous raid you did on the casino. This can technically be classified as a breach of NLR. You have died since then and with NLR you forget everything about your past life. In conclusion you had no reason what so ever to raid that place with 4+ people in it except to rack up kills. It would be a diffrent story if this was a mugging, but you cant mass mugg people and you even confirmed that this was a raid. So you did RDM someone, but it did appear to be unintentional, and you raided a building knowing you would get absoutley nothing from doing so except kills. Thats my side.

 

[dylan7]

I recognise the fact that you could not see the other man due to the doorway. I would however like to point out that your warning point was for a False Raid. You had no valid roleplay reason to raid that place. The place was open up to the public and there was clearly nothing that you could grab in there. You claimed that you wanted money which makes since because its a casino, but you also said that you knew that they had guns based on a previous raid you did on the casino. This can technically be classified as a breach of NLR. You have died since then and with NLR you forget everything about your past life. In conclusion you had no reason what so ever to raid that place with 4+ people in it except to rack up kills. It would be a diffrent story if this was a mugging, but you cant mass mugg people and you even confirmed that this was a raid. So you did RDM someone, but it did appear to be unintentional, and you raided a building knowing you would get absoutley nothing from doing so except kills. Thats my side.

I had messaged him because I saw a guy with a mac on his back. That and right before it happened one of the people inside shot in the air.

 

[thtgeekydude]

I recognise the fact that you could not see the other man due to the doorway. I would however like to point out that your warning point was for a False Raid. You had no valid roleplay reason to raid that place. The place was open up to the public and there was clearly nothing that you could grab in there. You claimed that you wanted money which makes since because its a casino, but you also said that you knew that they had guns based on a previous raid you did on the casino. This can technically be classified as a breach of NLR. You have died since then and with NLR you forget everything about your past life. In conclusion you had no reason what so ever to raid that place with 4+ people in it except to rack up kills. It would be a diffrent story if this was a mugging, but you cant mass mugg people and you even confirmed that this was a raid. So you did RDM someone, but it did appear to be unintentional, and you raided a building knowing you would get absoutley nothing from doing so except kills. Thats my side.

Oh and Everybody else who raids constantly will receive warning points aswell then right? and of course its a raid its a player owned building. Its automatically classified as that along with WE HAD SEEN A MAN WITH A GUN SHOOT. We had explained this We literally had a valid reason but you think were just some fraggers' Like literally at this point i might aswell report tons of people who raid farm just to kill people.

 

[itz_coffee]

I spectated the raid, however I did not include it as evidence in the sit as I was on discord so my testimony was shaky at best.

It’s true I started the sit but had to leave.

From what I could tell for certain, FearRP was broken by one of the guys inside the casino at the time. However, he did not present a clear and present danger to you and your organization as he did not go into his inventory or radio for help or bolt for the doorway, these actions would’ve put your “raid” into jeopardy and warranted his death. There was no need to shoot the place up, your men had a clear weapons advantage and were in control of the men inside the casino, they had no chance of countering your raid so why kill them all?

You saw an opportunity when FearRP was broken for some easy kills instead of reporting the rule break, you took the matter into your own hands and are therefore liable. Although I had a different interpretation of the situation than @kevsonic, I agree with his assesment and punishment

 

[heyitskev]

Oh and Everybody else who raids constantly will receive warning points aswell then right? and of course its a raid its a player owned building. Its automatically classified as that along with WE HAD SEEN A MAN WITH A GUN SHOOT. We had explained this We literally had a valid reason but you think were just some fraggers' Like literally at this point i might aswell report tons of people who raid farm just to kill people.

According to your statement you saw a man with a gun shoot in a raid that happened days ago and even if that was today it still does not warrant the raid.

 

[thtgeekydude]

According to your statement you saw a man with a gun shoot in a raid that happened days ago and even if that was today it still does not warrant the raid.

According to your statement you saw a man with a gun shoot in a raid that happened days ago and even if that was today it still does not warrant the raid.

We were in a sit and i said that weve raided them before and they had pistols so we assumed they did now. I in never said that. We said a man discharged his weapon which he even agreed to. Yes we didn't have a full reason to do it but we knew for a fact one of them had a gun. And turns out they all did,Along with i never asked for the man to try and run into the only enclosed room. And in all fucking honestly you guys are just labeling us as looking for frags and thats ridiculous. If he would of never done it it wouldn't of happened,We never asked for any of them to all pull their guns after that. So seriously? If i get a warning point then the one who broke fear rp should as well then.

 

[thtgeekydude]

I spectated the raid, however I did not include it as evidence in the sit as I was on discord so my testimony was shaky at best.

It’s true I started the sit but had to leave.

From what I could tell for certain, FearRP was broken by one of the guys inside the casino at the time. However, he did not present a clear and present danger to you and your organization as he did not go into his inventory or radio for help or bolt for the doorway, these actions would’ve put your “raid” into jeopardy and warranted his death. There was no need to shoot the place up, your men had a clear weapons advantage and were in control of the men inside the casino, they had no chance of countering your raid so why kill them all?

You saw an opportunity when FearRP was broken for some easy kills instead of reporting the rule break, you took the matter into your own hands and are therefore liable. Although I had a different interpretation of the situation than @kevsonic, I agree with his assesment and punishment

I literally just got a warning point for breaking character. So youre asking me to stop quite literally mid raid with no video evidence and report it? Are you actually saying i should of done that.

 

[itz_coffee]

I literally just got a warning point for breaking character. So youre asking me to stop quite literally mid raid with no video evidence and report it? Are you actually saying i should of done that.

No you shouldn’t break character, especially in a heated RP scenario such as a raid.

I’m saying that you can’t use FearRP as an excuse to frag everyone in a room. Just ignore the rulebreak and report it afterwards, staff will only intervene if absolutely necessary (that’s why I let the raid continue). Approach the RP scenario as if the rulebreak didn’t happen in order to not break character

 

[thtgeekydude]

No you shouldn’t break character, especially in a heated RP scenario such as a raid.

I’m saying that you can’t use FearRP as an excuse to frag everyone in a room. Just ignore the rulebreak and report it afterwards, staff will only intervene if absolutely necessary (that’s why I let the raid continue). Approach the RP scenario as if the rulebreak didn’t happen in order to not break character

They all pulled guns. You saw that right? Youre literally acting as if we just sprayed everybody. Can i get a community manager

 

[thtgeekydude]

Because at this point staff has said i said things that in no means i did and if theirs video id like it of the sit. Labeling us like this just because somebody broke fearrp WHICH Every person did because they all pulled guns after and saying we sprayed everybody in the room.

 

[thtgeekydude]

Aswell Gm1003 states he was no danger as he didn't bolt for the doorway yet he did bolt back into the room where there were one/Two guys after being told to stop three times.

 

[heyitskev]

We were in a sit and i said that weve raided them before and they had pistols so we assumed they did now. I in never said that. We said a man discharged his weapon which he even agreed to. Yes we didn't have a full reason to do it but we knew for a fact one of them had a gun. And turns out they all did,Along with i never asked for the man to try and run into the only enclosed room. And in all fucking honestly you guys are just labeling us as looking for frags and thats ridiculous. If he would of never done it it wouldn't of happened,We never asked for any of them to all pull their guns after that. So seriously? If i get a warning point then the one who broke fear rp should as well then.

This is a little irrevlant, but if you just wanted a pistol off of a person would it not be more appropiate to mug that one person instead?

 

[Stuvi]

Yes we didn't have a full reason to do it

Why are you still arguing about the warning point you received then?

you guys are just labeling us as looking for frags and thats ridiculous

Yes, because that's all you're doing at this point.

Staff report denied. Punishments that were handed out are valid. Stop being trigger happy.