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Tony Gambino

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This ban appeal is on behalf of all the Gambino member's that were wrongfully banned (Tony, Antonio , Tyrone)
Your Steam Name: artyyy ツ (Tony ) , Frosty (Antonio), yeet yea (Tyrone)
Your Steam ID: Tony - STEAM_0:1:27162220 , Antonio - STEAM_0:0:54770669 , Tyrone - STEAM_0:0:95020768
Your Character Name: Tony Gambino , Antonio Gambino , Tyrone Gambino

Ban Length: 24 hours
Banning Staff Member (@AdminName to mention the staff member): @Aaron

Ban Reason: Targeting Players/Breaking Raid Timer/NLR
Time of Occurrence: Around 12:15 AM EST

What Happen: Ok first of all, I'd like to mention me (Tony) and Tyrone never died.. so where does the NLR factor come in .. ? Antonio was the only one that died. With that being said , we never broke no raid timer. Antonio was messaged by Jack Everadon to meet at Lake houses to discuss a peace treaty. Before our arrival to the houses, Antonio stationed us by Lake House 1 and specifically told us that if shots go off, we should shoot anyone on sight (this happened at Lake House 2). Upon Antonio's arrival however, Antonio overheard Jack telling Bobby Hive to go hide in a bush and shoot Antonio once he arrives. As Antonio was standing at the front door, he sees Bobby Hive run out with Jack and Bobby immediately goes behind the house and hides, while Jack runs up to Antonio and engages in a conversation. Antonio shoots Jack once he sees he has the chance and shit goes south from there. Someone ran out the house killing Antonio. Me and Tyrone immediately react by killing everyone in front of the house and then my game crashes. Meanwhile Tyrone finishes off everyone and leaves back to safety. Keep in mind that this was no raid but just an ordinary shootout. I rejoin the game and we decide to go raid/mug whichever came first. We drive to suburbs from the bank , and see that it's empty. So we drive down the hill pulling up in front of the Lake houses ( NLR timer was up already) . Upon arrival we see that the doors were opened and simply walked in. As we walk in we notice James Abernathy cooking up some LSD. We immediately told him he's getting mugged and to comply and he won't get hurt. As he starts staling, some girl runs upstairs witnessing the whole thing pop off, and starts to run off. We tell her to stop and she didn't. Of course she didn't make it out the front door and gets popped right there. Then Billy Abernathy runs upstairs with his gun in hand, as he takes his first shot, he also gets dropped. And this is when we got frozen by a moderator @OTXKU .. At this point I don't know what happened and a whole bunch of admins got involved including @Aaron. Where he goes and states that we broke this and that, and that the first altercation was considered a raid even though it was just a shoot out. We said ok, if that was a raid.. which I don't how it was when we just killed some people and bounced, then this is a mug , as we never lockpicked any doors as they were open and we simply just walked in and saw some kid making LSD. He said no, this is also a raid, goes on saying that we broke NLR, also that we targeted these kids.. whatever that means.. and goes on to ban us.. At this point i'd like to mention that on occasion @Aaron makes up his own rules and sometimes says stuff that are not in the !rules. I feel that we were wrongfully banned and was hoping a higher-up admin can take a look at this. @WhiteBlood @DevulTj
 

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This situation was discussed with @WhiteBlood who also agreed this ban was valid, however I'm sure he has a few things to say himself.

The original situation, which I was present for the start of, seemed very much like a raid, and even if it was not, it occurred at the exact location the second "mugging" started at. It should be noted that if you're on someone's property, robbing from them, it becomes a raid at that point. Regardless of that, you got into an altercation with the Abernathy's at 10:24PM. Later, roughly 11-15 minutes afterwards, you had arrived at the exact same spot to mug them (Which is incorrect, as it was definitely a raid). You clearly were targeting them, whether you drove through the suburbs or not.

You stated earlier that you "waited out the NLR timer" before you returned, meaning that you had planned to return to target them once again. This is a combination of breaking both NLR, and metagaming information that you know OOC. The knowledge you have from this is that you 1. Know that your victims will be at the same place after 10 minutes. It also proves 2. You know who your victims are, and planned to target them once again.

Stating it was random raid at a random location is completely false, because you very clearly were targeting the Abernathy's.
 
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Since the primary user has been community banned and each ban has since expired, this thread has been locked and moved.
 
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