Maj.kat Report

[WhiteTiger2643]

Your Steam Name:WhiteTiger2643
Your Steam ID:STEAM_0:0:94509962
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Jayden Smith


Admin being reported: (Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @Maj.Kat


Reason for Report: Using he or she says in final verdict
Time of Occurrence: 6/25
Evidence to support your claim: The last 2 warning points that i received were false, and based off of he or she says. The guys in the base did not provide any evidence of being inside of the base when i killed them. And maj.kat then goes off of their word say "they may not have video evidence but logs shows that you killed them. Just because the logs show that i Killed him doesn't mean that i was inside the base in any way. This is very unprofessional and I'll be making a staff report right after this for this situation as well. If it weren't for this situation i would not be banned.
Additional members involved/witnessing: @Tayven99 @Dusty

He was the original person raiding, I was called on radio that he was being shot at at slums apartments. I showed up at the apartments from the town hall parking lot and saw 2 people killing alex and my other org member. One of the suspects went to the door to lock/shut it before cops came. I killed him before he was able to (he was standing outside of his base), right after i begin to be shot at through the front window which was not barricaded at all. I then turn and kill him. After this situation the cops rolled up and I entered the base to set up for a cop raid. I lock picked the bathroom to double check no one else was inside, and i come back out to the main area to see a fridge on the ground. I picked it up not knowing that counts as a raid apparently even tho it was in plain view. I then defended myself from the cops till i died at the end.

 

[Stiizyy]

@WhiteTiger was not apart of the raid at all, he just got released from jail and said that he just got out for raiding a base at slums apartments. Me and Dusty (another one of my friends) went to the base to talk to them. The people inside called the cops so that gave us a reason to KOS because they snitched on us. We then lockpicked the front door and Both me and dusty were getting shot by the people inside. Dusty killed one person and in the process i radio to WhiteTIger that we are being shot at. I never once mentioned that we were raiding infact i told him that some guy snitched on me and dusty and that we were getting shot. WhiteTiger said he would come help out as he was not under nlr or any cooldown other than a raid cooldown. Both me and dusty died and one of the people from inside the base went to the door to shut it but ended up getting killed by whitetiger. While in the dead state i hear deagle fire coming inside of the base and jayden then returns fire (still outside of the base through the window). Swat shows up and jayden entered the base to defend himself from the cops. Maj kat did not bring me to provide info about the situation and failed to show any proof that whitetiger was inside the base at the time of killing the 2 suspects.

 

[Maj.Kat]

First off, I do not believe I acted incorrectly in this situation. I appreciate you making a staff report, as I recommended.

I was told that you were breaking raid timer. You undeniably attempted to lockpick their door at slums and failed, you said you were shot and later taken to the hospital. And then you later came back. I ask you, "would you consider that breaking raid timer," with a seemingly excuse you say, it was all in one life so the raid never ended. I told you that it didn't matter, once you leave the premises completely the raid is over and your cooldown starts. I was going to issue a punishment, however, I do not know how it strayed away so far from doing so. You were arguing when it came to the following claim, made by you, that followed something along the lines of: Alex called me over the radio to come to the situation because he needed backup. (Alex was most definitely raiding the building) You say that your org member dies so you decide to shoot. At the very moment that you are shooting at people in the base that killed your org member, you are raiding it. You kill the two people who were in their base/defending their base. You are still raiding their property. You go inside loot all of their bodies and items, you take everything inside the base. And you also lockpicked a door.

From the information, I gathered it was two raids within not even half an hour. That's when you try to make excuses and said they came out of their base to kill you? Which was not what happened at all, Alex died in the doorway you claimed and you immediately damaged the people you were raiding. You said you killed one guy trying to lock the front door, when you did damage to him as soon as Alex died, in the doorway. Which shows that guy had to be in the base because if he was outside he would have died quicker. The front door must have been unlocked because you didn't lockpick that specific door. You then shot the guy inside the base defending and entered the base. You then say the police show up, but you were able to take 5-8 seconds to loot your org member's container and the containers of the people you killed, so you must have been in the base. While inside the base you make sure all of the bodies are cleared of any items and you lockpick a door, apparently to make sure a detective wasn't in there, according to your words. You then take a mini-fridge and die to the cops while trying to make an escape.

You were on raid timer, and you were called to a base in which your org was raiding as backup and you continue the raid. I wasn't taking any more excuses when you said something along the lines of, "I didn't lockpick anything, everything was open so I stole the minifridge, it was a free item just sitting there."

As a result of the situation at hand, I issued two warning points leading to your 9th point, hence the ban.

 

[WhiteTiger2643]

No i was still walking over to the base when alex died, i saw his body drop right at the door you can see that he @alex died in the door way above. I said i lockpicked the door to the bathroom because I was checking to see if there was any witnesses i mention this in the sit. I was currently running on 1 hour of sleep and I was very confused on what i even was saying. But my final reason for killing them was them killing my org member and i killed the one at the door while he was shutting it. The other suspect was killed through a window after I killed his buddy even tho I was trying to leave the scene, I believe i should be allowed to loot the bodies I killed because the guy inside initiated on me first, which was me defending myself. The only reason why i entered the base and stayed there was because of the fact that 6 cops were outside.

 

[WhiteTiger2643]

I just feel like the two warning points is unjust because u based your verdict on a statement that could not be proved with video. Which means you were basing your verdict on he/she says. You even said during the sit that u agreed with me, that I am allowed to kill them if they left the base, and if I killed the other one in self defense. Yes picking up the fridge off the ground was not needed, but everything that I looted was off the bodies of the vicitims, I also don't believe the people should be allowed to get their items back from the raid, regardless if I did or did not break the rules, the cops were already on scene and were already planning to raid the base. They had enough evidence because one of them had a deagle which is illegal regardless on property and the sgt at the time was giving the screenshot to the sheriff. They also cop baited during the situation calling the cops for a raid even tho a raid was never happening.

 

[PMX]

From what I understood after speaking to Maj.Kat and reading all your replies, you tried to raid that base once, by attempting to lockpick the door, and you died. This means your raid was not successful and therefore you were on cooldown, from that point on.

Once you were revived by the EMS, your friends asked for backup at the same house you tried to raid before, and you ended up raiding it again, even though everything was open and unlocked.

In this case, as you were on cooldown, you shouldn't have involved yourself in that raid, unless they came out of the base. Since you did that, you broke the raid timer and therefore you were punished accordingly by Maj.Kat.

If any of these parts are not accurate, please explain further.

 

[WhiteTiger2643]

I didn't enter the building until the cops were outside shooting me, the second I killed the guy through the window, cops (detective with a deagle) were shooting me from behind I don't know where in the logs it shows that but i was at 45 health from the encounter, you can check to see that a det was shooting me right after i killed the last person, I killed the det and ran inside to get cover, I killed 3-4 swat/cops and I heard radio in one of the back rooms. I check the door to the bathroom but no one was in there. (I lockpicked the door but nothing was in there). I then return back into the main area and I'm still being shot at, the cops did not charge in like usual. I then told the cops that I would surrender but another cop shot me so obviously that was off the table. I then finally get finished off by a det rushing in with a deagle. @PMX

I did not start the raid nor did I even know a raid was going on, like i stated before alex brown was screaming with his squeeky voice over the radio that people were shooting him at slums apartments, I thought it was a detective or a cop because right before, (OOC heard alex screaming that they called the cops just for being outside.) I run over and kill the guy re entering the base after killing alex. Then like i said before someone shot me through the window, (while still outside, I killed him through the window on the outside)

They did leave the base to Lock/close their doors I believe if they step out on their sidewalk of slums that is considered (outside) The suspects claimed that they were never outside but couldn't provide any video/audio evidence of this being the case. As stated in the staff protocols you can not use your final verdict off of something someone said, the defendant does not need to provide evidence but the person reporting to the staff must provide visible evidence for their claims or the situation is voided.

Not once did alex mention any raid of any kind, I was going off info that he was simply being shot at and gave the description of the suspect. Not once in radio chat did he say he was raiding the base or anything of that short. The only reason alex lockpicked the front door is because the suspect was outside when he called the police, and while being shot at ran inside and locked the door

Also the fact that those suspects in the raid are allowed to get a refund for a situation that is being reported is absurd. Because now if this report does get reported you now have to delete the items that you just gave them.

 

[PMX]

Please do not create several posts. If you want to add information simply edit your previous post. I will let @Maj.Kat reply to this.

 

[Maj.Kat]

The story doesn't add up to me, maybe I am just confused because you have changed it countless times.

Alex is initiating on someone who is in a base. He is shooting at them while in their base and attempts to lockpick the front door, it now becomes raid entirely. You join, apparently because of the simple reason that your org member was getting shot at. You kill a person who you claim is shooting at you through the clear window, and you kill him, inside his base. You then loot his body according to logs and your org member's, in which you'd have to enter the base to do. You just assisted in the raid that Alex begun. The raid was not over, you seized his property and all of its items and the cops show up. If you do not see it as a raid or did not see it as a raid then that is a miscommunication on you and your org members. Sorry to say, but when you obeyed the orders of your org member, at which you can see the situation occurring because you said you were at the town hall, you know what you were getting in to. You see your org member probably shooting at someone inside their base through a window (obviously sounds like raiding) you should have thought to yourself I raided someone in the last hour, in fact, the same exact building. Once you noticed your situation, at that moment you should have known you were going to break the raid timer.

You made such a big deal with the fact that I made a decision off of a pure he said/she said situation. Towards the end of the sit, I sat for about 3 minutes and evaluated the situation. I put into perspective that you did change your story quite a bit. You did originally think it was okay to raid the base because you were revived by a medic and the raid never ended in the first place. You did try to say that you didn't lockpick the front door so it didn't count as a raid. It just seems like you are trying to find your way around breaking the rules. The story didn't add up, you said they were both killed outside of the building, but then in the report, you said you were being shot at from inside, in which you killed him at.

It seems more of you attempting to take advantage of the fact they didn't have a video which was noted during the beginning of the sit. For every claim the players reporting you made, you said, "video?"

I have even checked further into the logs. You lockpicked the front door and another door in the house. If they were outside of the house how were you able to lockpick their front door? And keep in mind that Alex and you were both alive when you lockpicked the door. Alex didn't lockpick the door, so you must've. You started shooting before Alex even died.

You lockpicked the door that led entry to their base, you were obviously assisting in a raid. In my opinion, I didn't abuse my powers at all, you were punished accordingly. You have told me throughout the sit you have a recording of the whole situation, which I assume was not you bluffing, due to the fact you made a report afterward claiming you got double tapped with video evidence. The only reason I can think of to why you haven't uploaded or posted that video yet, is because it is incriminating in some way. If you do have the video that shows you breaking no rules, you will receive a dear apology from me, and the staff report will be accepted.

 

[WhiteTiger2643]

I never lockpicked a door other than the bathroom door to check i said this. I lockpicked the door next to it, no one was in the house at the time i can prove that in a video if needed.

 

[Maj.Kat]

Please send the full video of the situation, beginning to end.

 

[WhiteTiger2643]

The only doors that i lock picked during that situation was the apt next to theirs, and the bathroom door. Once again you can't prove this without visual evidence which was never provided. I have video proof of me lockpicking the other door if you really need it for this to be accepted. But it still doesn't justify that u took your final verdict on a he/she says. I'm not uploading the video and taking time out of my day for a report that I didn't make in the first place, right now you are basically forcing me to upload a video of me not breaking the rules, clearly stated in the staff rule book, (You can not force the defendant to provide video evidence) which you are breaking right now. You gave me warning points because the 2 suspects continuously screaming in their mics "force him to upload the video" which i also recorded the whole sit. And once again for the 4th time my story changed because I was confused on which situation we were referring too, I was very exhausted at this time and my brain wasn't processing what I meant to say. I called alex during the sit to ask for reinsurance because I was so confused with what I did wrong. He explained to me that I was allowed to kill them because the first guy went outside his base to shut the door, and the other person because he shot you through a window. I tried explaining this to you, you even agreed with me 3 times during the video, you even said during the sit "the situation has been dealt with and you were about to return me but the 2 suspects continued to scream that you were "abusing, and not doing your job". I'm not gonna say this scared you but it made you rethink what they were saying and they convinced you of a lie that they can not prove. I've been in a million sits where this same situation has happened, (I killed someone while mugging them and they said i killed them because they "talked" but had 0 evidence to prove that I killed him for that reason) which result in the sit being voided and I was returned with a note. You as a staff member should have written it in my notes, and ask other staff for approval. Speak of other staff approval (you said in sit that even if another staff member came they would also not be able to punish me because they didn't have video evidence.

Edited-
Once again you can not make me upload and edit a video to "defend myself." if no contradicting video is present on the other side.

Edited 2-
@PMX can you please send me the staff protocols when it comes to deal with a sit in game. You can not punish someone with log proof which logs proved nothing because you can't see what door i lockpicked etc., and you can't see that I was clearly outside and they were as well when I killed them. Also another protocol that i was informed of which I have mentioned is prohibiting staff members to punish without actual evidence, also the staff member can not force the defendant to post a video to "defend themselves" when it's not necessary

 

[PMX]

This is ridiculous...

clearly stated in the staff rule book, (You can not force the defendant to provide video evidence) which you are breaking right now.

You have no idea what it is stated in our internal rules. Please refrain from assuming things you are unaware of.

@PMX can you please send me the staff protocols when it comes to deal with a sit in game. You can not punish someone with log proof

Again, do not assume things you are unaware of. I will not send you the staff internal rules, as those are meant to be private and only accessible for staff members.

Without video evidence, it is hard to tell who is in the wrong or who is in the right. I would like to outline that, if there was a second raid going on, after you attempted to raid the same house, you shouldn't have intervened and should have stayed away due to your raid cooldown being in effect at the time.

Maj.kat did not abuse his powers, regardless of being in the right or wrong in this situation. He checked the logs and, from his perspective, he concluded you broke the raid timer. He acted in good faith. This is possible and can happen. If you disagree with his decision, you may report him, like you did now. But as mentioned, without valid evidence showing his decision is wrong, there is nothing we can do, as we have nothing to analyze.

If you have valid evidence, please provide it.
Staff report denied.