Maj Kat Wrongfully Handling A Sit

[Che'f Boyarte]

Your Steam Name: Beans
Your Steam ID: STEAM_1:0:64170573
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Adam James


Admin being reported: (Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @Maj.Kat


Reason for Report: So previously today, Major Kat has falsely issued me a warning point. The reason for his warning point is breaking mug timer. Their claim is that I mugged Wiz Yote which I did not I simply took him as a hostage. When I first saw Wiz I started stalking him to see what he was going to do and where he was going but, he slammed into a tree and his car became disabled and exploded. In my brain, I had the thought of taking Wiz hostage. I tell Wiz to exit his car with his hands up and he does so. Wiz quickly said to me something along the lines of I am currently In a cop chase come on man don't do this. Me, thinking it would not be wise to take someone hostage in a cop chase and starting to have some empathy as I would not want the same thing to happen to me as it has before, I search Wiz for weapons to make sure that he is not able to shoot me when I take the zip ties off of him. I then insure with Wiz that he will not shoot me later for zip tieing him and he agrees so I ask him where he wants to go and he said townhall so I took him to the town hall because at this point the cops were going to arrest both of us if we were caught. Additionally, I never took anything from Wiz or harmed him in any way in the time that he was zip tied for a short 20 seconds. After the incident with Wiz I see a man at the premium box and decide to mug him since technically me zip tieing Wiz was not a mug it was a kidnapping so then there's no mug cooldown because I never took anything from Wiz or harmed him in any way so how am I on mug cooldown if I never mugged him I would be on the kidnapping cooldown? Also, the man that I mugged who called the sit was extremely disrespectful when we first got into the sit he staff disrespected Skullz and was verbally told to stop. After this, he continuously disrespected me and the 1% organization after being told not to and he never received warning points or any punishment for his excessive disrespect. The Admin Major Kat and the man who reported me slandered me and said I was intentionally looking for loopholes in the mug cooldown which I was not and I am not sure why they think this because I never said that my intentions were not to find a loophole or break mug timer which is impossible because even in the server rules it defines a mug as "Mugging/Robbery - The act of stealing someone's personal belongings in a public place." my intentions were not to steal from Wiz they were to simply take him as a hostage as 1% and GS9 do to each other so it was defined as a kidnapping and the rules specifically differentiate from kidnappings and muggings. To summarize I believe the man who called the sit should be punished for excessive disrespect and I should be unissued this warning point with maybe someone talking to Major Kat about the specific difference between a kidnapping a mug as it says specifically in the rules which can not be edited by moderators on the spot to punish people.


Time of Occurrence: 12:30-12:40?
Evidence to support your claim: n/a
Additional members involved/witnessing: @wiz @Maj.Kat

 

[wiz]

I can vouch I was ziptied, but I was not mugged. I'm not sure what Adam's intentions were to do with me when I was ziptied but he decided to let me go. I can vouch that nothing was taken from me and we mutually agreed that this wasn't a mug and I wouldn't KOS him.

 

[Maj.Kat]

Firstly, I would like to say sorry if it felt like anyone was trying to gang up on you or falsely accuse you of something that you did not do, or slander you in any way. If you felt that way, especially coming from me, I am dearly sorry.

Overview of this situation: I respond to an administrative sit in which you (Beans) are being reported for breaking the mug timer. I ask if you broke the mug timer and you said, "no, not other than having someone zip-tied at the gas station. At this point, I take you up for a sit.

The Verdict of the Sit and the Sit Itself: As the sit began I asked you if you mugged someone, you said, "I zip-tied someone that had nothing on them at the outskirts gas station and decided to take him hostage." You later say you let him go. This what does not make sense: You zip-tied him seemingly with the intention to mug, (This was at 1:09:43) then you proceeded to searched his inventory, (1:09:44) then you searched his inventory again, (1:09:53) and finally you un-zip-tied him. (1:09:57) I asked why you had him in zip-ties for barely anytime if he was being taken as a hostage? This is when you state that you zip-tied him, you drove to town-hall, you felt bad for his car being blown-up, and then you drove all the way back, which really gets me to question, the interval between your use of the zip-tie was 14 seconds, and keep in mind that you searched his inventory between these time frames so you could not have been in your car the whole time. Which leads to the fact you did not drive all the way to town-hall and back in less than 10 seconds, to me it sounds like you were trying to make an excuse to make your story sound more believable, but I could be wrong. The rules clearly states that mugs successful or unsuccessful still put you on the mug timer cool-down, so, putting someone in zip-ties and searching them for goodies is not an unsuccessful mug. After this incident, it seems like you may have caught your mistake or known about your mistake because you run the !rules command (1:11:56) to see if what you just did fell in the category of the mug timer. Your judgment seemed to be incorrect, and you proceeded to mug another player, which ironically claimed his car was also broken down, which made the report that led us into a sit. After hearing everything that was said, and going through logs, this indeed seemed to me as an unsuccessful mug; in a more realistic situation, if someone is pulled in a private place and patted down, and nothing of value was on them, they just committed a crime, they didn't kidnap them or take them as a hostage, they were attempting to steal something but obviously find nothing of value if they left empty-handed. And again, the rules state unsuccessful or successful mug attempts still count towards the timer. After I bring this point up to you, you then say, "I didn't steal anything though, so did I really mug them," I told you to stop trying to find a loophole out of this. You cannot just go around putting a zip-tie on everyone you see and begin checking if they have items on them worth actually stealing (unsuccessful mug) and putting a cooldown on your mug time, hence me ruling the situation as breaking the mug timer and issued 1 warning point as it was his first offense.

The Possible Disrespect That Occurred in The Sit: I do apologize if anyone's feeling were hurt during this sit, however, words were tossed between, "Beans," and the player that reported him. They were both equally getting angry at each other. From the player that reported Beans' point of view, he just lost all of his items because of a possible rule-break. You both were told to be quiet and calm down throughout the sit, I was getting overwhelmed while trying to explain to you (Beans) that it was breaking the mug timer. It would have been an even lighter punishment as it was, but you continued to argue that it was not and refused to listen to how I interpreted the rule/situation. Again, I apologize for any disrespect that occurred during the sit, but it felt like to me than words were being exchanged. I did not hear much coming from the player reporting because he was talking very fast and un-calmly, but both of you guys had the same tone, maybe one more than the other. The player reporting you was talked to sternly by Thy for being uncalm about the situation. Which you did not tag, I am assuming because when I returned you, you were angry and said word from word, "I'll see you on the forums, even though Thy is in the sit he is probably going to deny it."

Evidence/Points Used:

Point A​

[4.1] Mugging, Kidnapping and Robbing
[4.1.1] Mugging

1. You must wait out a 35-minute delay to do another mugging after your previous attempt that was either successful or unsuccessful.

(The rule stating that whether the mugging was successful or unsuccessful you still must wait for a 35-minute delay to occur, in your case your mug was unsuccessful because you did not find anything of value)

Point B
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A hostage or person that is being kidnapped; "a person taken by force to secure the taker's demands" counts as a hostage. In this situation, you held him for a total of 14 seconds, after searching his inventory of anything of value and letting him go, you did not have any hostage situation or kidnap him and take him somewhere else to ask for a ransom, seemingly you searched him for valuable items that he didn't have and released him, which is why the situation began and ended very quickly.

Point C (Logs)



An image taken, showing the logs, indicating that the situation lasted 14 seconds from beginning to end and very soon after the situation you ran the !rules command to see if that actually counted as a mug, so in the sit, you can say it was just a hostage situation.
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Thank you,
Major. Kat

 

[Che'f Boyarte]

An image taken, showing the logs, indicating that the situation lasted 14 seconds from beginning to end and very soon after the situation you ran the !rules command to see if that actually counted as a mug, so in the sit, you can say it was just a hostage situation.
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Thank you,
Major. Kat

I purposely did that to make sure i was not breaking the timer if I really wanted to loophole the system wouldn't I check the rules before and I was never even expecting a sit regarding it as I did it right after the hostage situation before the mug occurred. I also would like to apologize for the tone of my voice during the sit but when I am being punished for something that I believe is wrong and I am getting disrespected and or slandered it was hard for me to contain myself and I am sorry for my anger. Another issue of mine is you guys claim I searched him for anything of value when I state multiple times that I did it to ensure my welfare and my life Wiz had money on him which is valuable but I decided not to take It. I would also like to say some of the stuff in the sit that came out of my mouth did not come out correctly and that is why I added to it in the report due to the anger I had at the time for the person who called the report.

 

[Maj.Kat]

I purposely did that to make sure i was not breaking the timer if I really wanted to loophole the system wouldn't I check the rules before and I was never even expecting a sit regarding it as I did it right after the hostage situation before the mug occurred. I also would like to apologize for the tone of my voice during the sit but when I am being punished for something that I believe is wrong and I am getting disrespected and or slandered it was hard for me to contain myself and I am sorry for my anger. Another issue of mine is you guys claim I searched him for anything of value when I state multiple times that I did it to ensure my welfare and my life Wiz had money on him which is valuable but I decided not to take It. I would also like to say some of the stuff in the sit that came out of my mouth did not come out correctly and that is why I added to it in the report due to the anger I had at the time for the person who called the report.

I still don't understand why you checked the rules other than so you can mug another person and you are trying to find a way how, due to your last one being unsuccessful. Not sure how true that is, but it sounds quite reasonable. I am not trying to nitpick you for everything in this situation that I found hard to believe and which contributed to you breaking the rules, such as the fact that you searched him and did not take anything because he at least did not have anything too much of value, and I remember you saying during the sit he only had like $500. So you didn't take anything just because of the fact there was almost nothing to take, within a short time span, and you claim it was a hostage situation, which is incorrect from the information I have gathered, it was a mug that had no success.

 

[Che'f Boyarte]

I still don't understand why you checked the rules other than so you can mug another person and you are trying to find a way how, due to your last one being unsuccessful. Not sure how true that is, but it sounds quite reasonable. I am not trying to nitpick you for everything in this situation that I found hard to believe and which contributed to you breaking the rules, such as the fact that you searched him and did not take anything because he at least did not have anything too much of value, and I remember you saying during the sit he only had like $500. So you didn't take anything just because of the fact there was almost nothing to take, within a short time span, and you claim it was a hostage situation, which is incorrect from the information I have gathered, it was a mug that had no success.

The issue is nowhere in the rules does it state that if you look in someone's inventory and don't find anything it is a mug It specifically says mugging is when you take something I dont know why you are trying to make up and or edit rules at this point off the top of your head. I also stated I looked in his inventory to see if he had stuff to harm me with anyways It seems that you are ignoring that and that was my true intention but you constantly deny it.

 

[PMX]

Under review.

 

[PMX]

After reviewing the situation, it is clear Maj.Kat did nothing wrong and acted in good faith.

If you were only looking for weapons, why did you search his inventory twice? If you wanted to take him hostage, it is weird that you would simply allow him to walk away... And I do not believe that you took 10 seconds to drive all the way to town hall and back. If you present evidence supporting your claims, I can review them.

This staff report is denied, since Maj.Kat did not misuse his powers.