Raid Gone Wrong - PRx2

[Sokolov]

Your Steam Name: DystopianRaven
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:144285202
Your Character Name: Viktor Sokolov

Target Steam Name: BobbyBValid
Target SteamID: STEAM_0:0:84409596
Target Character Name (if known): Alphonso Tho

Target Steam Name: Breiceheidd
Target SteamID: STEAM_0:0:599113908
Target Character Name (if known): Jaci Wong

Request Reason:
Myself and org memeber @Bancho we conducting a raid, the occupants are the two players being report. As defined in the rules a Raid is -

• Raid - The act of breaking into or illegally entering a property with the intent to rob, kill, or commit any kind of criminal action to its residents, or to any items inside the property.

We had the intention of taking items inside, the two players failed to comply and were deemed a threat as such, we were unable to know if they were armed or not and thus took measures to avoid them having to much time to form a plan or such.

We are covered by raid rule 2.2.8 and PVP Rule 2.2.4, we gave the occupants time to comply and or surrender, to be fair they could have just ran off and hid somewhere if they didnt want to put up a fight before we were both at the door. As the parties had not surrendered to us and were actively resisting our demands they were shot at, Aleski first off fired a bunch of shots into the window to let them know we were serious, upon Jaci Wong breaking character you can see Aleski shoot Jaci Wong.
Which resulted in one death. Further break downs of each reported player below:

BobbyBValid
Myself and fellow org member were conducting a raid, upon unlocking the first door player Alphonso Tho ran out the side door and into the fenced off area, I then obviously destroy his car to avoid him leaving. After some struggle unlocking the door and entering the fenced area it appeared and was clear that Alphonso Tho had in fact disconnected to avoid RP. Probably possessing all the loot. Logs should be able to support this claim.

BobbyBValid is believed to have violated rule:

2.1.8:
- You may not disconnect to avoid a role-play situation. You must contact ingame staff and be granted permission in case you want to leave during an active role-play situation.

Breiceheidd
Again during the raid at the start when we first approached the building, my org member had made first contact, she was actively at gunpoint through the windows, during this time she actively failed to comply with demands first violating FTVL and then secondly once being shot Broke Character and then thirdly Meta-gamed and player disrespected us in OOC. Jaci Wong claimed she didn't know we had guns which is a blatant lie since I had shot at their car to disable it before the window interaction happened, etc. Staff will need to watch the clip to see context since reading this probably makes no sense.


Breiceheidd is believed to have violated rules:

2.3.1:
- Metagaming is not allowed. Any kind of information you gain via OOC may not be used IC. Any IC information may not be provided in OOC.

- FTVL - Failure To Value Life - The act of not valuing the life of your character, such as running into active shootouts.

3.2:
- Do not break character, stay in character at all times unless you are in an administrative situation.

When did the situation occur?: Little After 23:00 NZDST 20/01/2022

Your evidence to support your claim: Staff may contact me for further footage, was quite a bit to digest so only showed the key highlights of the raid.
Clip 1:

Watch BobbyBValid Runs Out Back | Streamable

Watch "BobbyBValid Runs Out Back" on Streamable.

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Clip 2:

Watch BobbyBValid Disconnects to Avoid RP | Streamable

Watch "BobbyBValid Disconnects to Avoid RP" on Streamable.

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Clip 3:

Watch Breiceheidd FTVL and Breaking Character | Streamable

Watch "Breiceheidd FTVL and Breaking Character" on Streamable.

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Additional members involved/witnessing: @Bancho
Read, understood and followed player report rules?: Yes

 

[Clutch Master FTW]

Under Review. @Breiceheidd & the other offender (who which I could not find their forum account) both have 24 hours to explain their side before the report is concluded.

 

[Bre]

I don't see how I was FTVL when I was not at gun point. how was I at gunpoint when the two people who was raiding me was outside. He killed me because he was struggling to lock pic and I didn't unlock the door for him to raid me is that not against the rules? Is that not RDM? Where in that clip was two guns pointed at me while being face to face? You were outside my base. I dont see how I broke any rules honestly.

 

[Bre]

@Clutch Master FTW if you'd like to see the clip of my view I can show you on discord I can't post it. I can't even see any guns being pointed at me from inside the house.

 

[Sokolov]

@Clutch Master FTW if you'd like to see the clip of my view I can show you on discord I can't post it. I can't even see any guns being pointed at me from inside the house.

Let me assume you cant see the guns... Okay cool, but its obvious we are armed cause before you will killed you are shot both were shot at and I had even shot out your guys car tires before that... Would it not be wise to value your life? considering you and BobbyBValid had no weapons... or try not standing within view through the windows?

 

[Bre]

So I'm failing to value my life because I was standing in my house and not opening to doors for robbers? Is that what you'd do in a real life situation Like I said I wasn't under fear rp so I didn't have to open the door and I still don't see how I was failing to value my life because I was standing in my house and not opening the door for people who wanted to raid me. Makes no sense. So because you can't lock pick Into my house while attempting to raid you kill me knowing that I wasn't armed. Sounds like you're admitting to Rdm to me. And how was I breaking character? was that because I didn't open the door or because I called you out for trying to RDM me ?

 

[Clutch Master FTW]

Rule Number	Rule	Accused	Verdict	Punishment
2.1.8	You may not disconnect to avoid a role-play situation. You must contact ingame staff and be granted permission in case you want to leave during an active role-play situation.	STEAM_0:0:84409596	Violated	1 Day Ban
0 / 2.3.1	Metagaming - Taking OOC to IC or vice-versa. Example: Bob would be walking down the street as he’d see a citizen who is an undercover cop. However, he uses the scoreboard to know he’s an undercover cop and avoids him based on using information not known to the character. Metagaming is not allowed. Any kind of information you gain via OOC may not be used IC. Any IC information may not be provided in OOC.	STEAM_0:0:84409596	Violated	2 Day Ban
2.3.1	Metagaming is not allowed. Any kind of information you gain via OOC may not be used IC. Any IC information may not be provided in OOC.	@Breiceheidd	Violated	1 Warning Point
3.2	Do not break character, stay in character at all times unless you are in an administrative situation.	@Breiceheidd	Violated	^
0	FTVL - Failure To Value Life - The act of not valuing the life of your character, such as running into active shootouts.	@Breiceheidd	Justified	~

From the evidence provided, and confirmation from logs, it appears STEAM_0:0:84409596 did indeed LTARP, as well as Metagame in PM's. As a result, they will receive a 3 Day Ban. As for @Breiceheidd, it does appear that they break character, and misuse OOC by talking about an on going in character situation. They will receive 1 Warning Point for this. For the FTVL/FearRP, since they are behind a house which is locked, they are not required to follow your orders even though you are pointing weapons at them through the door. This is very much a gray area, but I have confirmed with other staff to get their opinions and we have come to that conclusion. I will issue no punishments for that kill, but next time just be aware that they don't need to comply if they are inside their locked house.

If I've missed anything, or if you would like to discuss any part of this verdict, please let me know through private messages here or on discord.

Player Report Accepted,
Locked and Moved