Report - Case handled unfairly

[#SkengMan]

Your Steam Name: #SkengMan
Your Steam ID: https:/steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198079693282.
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Tony Montana

Admin being reported( Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @Tru

Reason for Report:
Dealt with an RDM / FailRP case unfairly.

The footage you can see below is me in the Apartments looking through houses with a lockpick. I broke into the top 2 apartments as you can see from the
footage (the apartments I do not believe were owned by anyone, but it was my first time doing this properly so wanted to test it out).

After I then leave and walk downstairs to exit the apartments. As I leave the apartments 3/4 people run through the back entrance of the apartments and just
start shooting at me for no reason. There was no initial contact to see who I was, or to try and rob me.

They kill me so I made a report and was going to show the Admin the footage.

Tru brings me to the top of a roof along with the people involved who had killed me. I explain that there was no official contact with the people before they
started shooting at me, which is FailRP and RDM.

Tru then asked them why they shot and their response was "My boy recognized him from a shootout at the casino an hour ago so we shot him" Tru then closed the
case without checking my footage and asking how they knew it was me, considering they didn't talk to me nor have my name.


In simple terms to sum up this report Tru closed this report and let the 3/4 people get away with RDM and FailRP without even checking my footage.

Time of Occurrence: Around 12AM (UK Time) May 26th

Evidence to support your claim:

4:18 minutes is a good place to start the video if you do not want to watch the whole clip.
During this, I lost AK47, Armor, and two Pistols.

 

[Tru]

Hi @#SkengMan,

I would like to start off by saying that you were breaking raid timer in the video you have presented (You may only raid one property per hour).

Once I got you into a sit for this I was told that you shot the person so they had come to carry out KOS, when asked if you had shot the person you denied shooting them but after checking logs I found that you had shot them twice, half an hour ago meaning you would be KOS and the kill would be valid therefore there was no need for punishment.

5/25/2021 @ 11:58:46 PM

Tony Montana (SkengMan) (STEAM_0:0:59713777) (282) was killed by: Quando Ledawgeata (swxter) (STEAM_0:0:527896907) (542) with a cw_deagle

5/25/2021 @ 11:31:54 PM

Quando Ledawgeata (swxter) (STEAM_0:0:527896907) (542) was damaged by: Tony Montana (SkengMan) (STEAM_0:0:59713777) (282) for 25 damage with a cw_m1911 (Left Leg)

5/25/2021 @ 11:31:53 PM

Quando Ledawgeata (swxter) (STEAM_0:0:527896907) (542) was damaged by: Tony Montana (SkengMan) (STEAM_0:0:59713777) (282) for 25 damage with a cw_m1911 (Stomach)

 

[#SkengMan]

Hi @Tru

In regards to the raiding, it was my first time doing this, hence why I went through 1 door on each property. I apologies that this is breaking the raiding rules, and luckily enough I didn't damage anyone's experience as no one was living in the properties.

In a way this furthermore backs up my point of why you should have viewed the footage, as I could have been warned about this at the time of me making the case against RDM and FailRP?

You mentioned yesterday that they had "KOS" and my response was that they had no proof of my identification, which is a cultural part of interaction on a roleplay server. KOS is correct if they had stopped me and identified me before shooting, not opening the back door, looking at the back of my head across a hallway, and randomly start shooting as you can see from the video.

I think as a member of staff on a Roleplay server you need to understand the difference between KOS and Roleplay KOS.

 

[Tru]

They had identified you correctly and killed you. I am confused why you believe that they should be punished.

In response to you saying I should have viewed your video. t the time of the sit it was for RDM and I got all the evidence I needed from logs so there was no need to view your video.

In your response you mentioned that I should know the difference between roleplay KOS and KOS, these things are the same thing KOS is KOS there is no difference, once you have KOS on someone you can kill them wherever you want for up to an hour, roleplay is not needed for KOS as you are kill on sight.

correct if they had stopped me and identified me before shooting

If they had killed the wrong person then this would be RDM but they correctly killed you and had a valid RP reason for it.

 

[#SkengMan]

Ok I understand that they killed the right person, but the key point that I do not understand is where from that footage did they roleplay to identify me?

I have already said they didn't even look at me from a face view (as you can see from the video), nor did they have my name?

So in what sense is that roleplay? and how does that not fall under FailRP?

Because from my understanding from what you are saying, if you have had contact with someone, within an hour you can shoot them without any roleplay or identification needed?

 

[Melody]

Hello,

Thank you for your report. After review of the evidence you provided, along with the logs from Tru, there is insufficient evidence to show that he handled this improperly.

As Tru stated, you shot at, but failed to kill the person who eventually killed you. Because he did not die, for the next hour after you shot him he has the ability to take revenge on you. Refer to rule 2.2.5:

Reasons for killing another player last until your character dies (NLR), you become aware that the other party has died (NLR), or until one hour has passed since the cause of the reason occurred.

Since he had valid roleplay reason to kill you, there was no rulebreak here. It appears likely that they identified you by your player model and clothes, which is not against the rules. If they had killed the wrong person based upon this criteria, that would be on them - which is why it's better to get a name or a voice to properly identify someone, but it's not required.

Tru gathered the evidence he needed and came to a reasonable conclusion that there was no rulebreak. Staff report denied.