Rule Change Suggestion.

[Jaffar Mahmud]

Rule 4.2.8 states:
Killing during raids should be carried out sensibly. If there is a legitimate threat on the property of which you are raiding, it is reasonable to enter with the intent to kill. For example, if anyone at the targeted property has a weapon equipped, the base as a whole constitutes a legitimate threat and you may kill everyone that has not visibly surrendered inside it.
I would say this should get changed around a bit. Ive went around and talked to bunch of people bout it to wonder what they think and they all agree.
Lets say you are getting raided, and you have a gun on your back. With this rule that would count as a threat meaning you can get killed instantly no matter what. I feel like a change should happen IF even doe you have a weapon on your back and you are getting raided by 2+ people who are instantly in voice range of you i feel like thats not very rp to just instantly shoot him. I would say their first thing to do if everything checks out which is:2 people with guns, In voice range. they shouldnt be allowed to instantly mow you down.
Please leave other suggestions that are for this rule that you thing should
Im going to use my friends video as a idea of why i feel it should be changed! Shoutout to @Zoya for the video

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As you see in the video the first wasnt to initiate but to shoot. Even doe that couldve been alot better RP if they initiated because they had everything for it. Had 2 people with guns and they were in voice range.

 

[TheXeno]

Agreed, the rules should be encouraging the possibilities of some good RP not encourage kill rp.

 

[Brent Skeng]

100% people raid just to kill rather than roleplay.

 

[Joe Harvest]

Rule 4.2.8 states:
Killing during raids should be carried out sensibly. If there is a legitimate threat on the property of which you are raiding, it is reasonable to enter with the intent to kill. For example, if anyone at the targeted property has a weapon equipped, the base as a whole constitutes a legitimate threat and you may kill everyone that has not visibly surrendered inside it.
I would say this should get changed around a bit. Ive went around and talked to bunch of people bout it to wonder what they think and they all agree.
Lets say you are getting raided, and you have a gun on your back. With this rule that would count as a threat meaning you can get killed instantly no matter what. I feel like a change should happen IF even doe you have a weapon on your back and you are getting raided by 2+ people who are instantly in voice range of you i feel like thats not very rp to just instantly shoot him. I would say their first thing to do if everything checks out which is:2 people with guns, In voice range. they shouldnt be allowed to instantly mow you down.
Please leave other suggestions that are for this rule that you thing should
Im going to use my friends video as a idea of why i feel it should be changed! Shoutout to @Zoya for the video

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As you see in the video the first wasnt to initiate but to shoot. Even doe that couldve been alot better RP if they initiated because they had everything for it. Had 2 people with guns and they were in voice range.

While I agree, I would only hope this rule, and perhaps it can be extended to mugging, prevents those looking for loose claims of RP veiled from behind the intent to just RDM.

 

[Brent Skeng]

While I agree, I would only hope this rule, and perhaps it can be extended to mugging, prevents those looking for loose claims of RP veiled from behind the intent to just RDM.

As it stands you cannot kill when mugging unless they are resisting or calling the police/friend.

 

[Joe Harvest]

As it stands you cannot kill when mugging unless they are resisting or calling the police/friend.

I'd beg to differ in terms of that, but okay.

 

[Eden]

100% people raid just to kill rather than roleplay.

FragRP it is what it is

 

[Stuvi]

Rule doesn't need a change. Players need to change. All they care about is kills.

 

[Joe Harvest]

Rule doesn't need a change. Players need to change. All they care about is kills.

The administration are responsible for changing this around to be fair for everyone. Granted, there is much less killing in Paralake than when I played on Rockford over a year and a half ago. But given there seems to be a shortage of staff for various reasons (both legitimate and not), that caters to the issues that still plague the server after I returned from my year or so hiatus.

 

[Jaffar Mahmud]

Rule doesn't need a change. Players need to change. All they care about is kills.

Yes Stuvi it is true that players should change seeming as THEY would make it alot more fun if they would. But with rules like this they arent forced to change and they will never till we got rules like this. You have to admit that that is a frag rule. Cause someone has a weapon that doesnt mean there cant be any roleplay. @Stuvi

All i would stay about the server atm is that its mainly FragRP and PoliceRP. Back on all paralake there was so many fun RP situations. Like people opened the bakery and actually sold goods there. They had the church and acted like priests. They had corner stores at the market. Even staff sometimes opened a own Casino there sometimes. Those were so much better times and i hope the server goes back to that when Monoford is out, because its what made the server special to me. All the fun ass RP situations you can get in to. But i do feel like if some rules would have to get changed like this one for example to go back to the funner times. @Stuvi

 

[Hello migo]

All i would stay about the server atm is that its mainly FragRP and PoliceRP. Back on all paralake there was so many fun RP situations. Like people opened the bakery and actually sold goods there. They had the church and acted like priests. They had corner stores at the market. Even staff sometimes opened a own Casino there sometimes. Those were so much better times and i hope the server goes back to that when Monoford is out, because its what made the server special to me. All the fun ass RP situations you can get in to. But i do feel like if some rules would have to get changed like this one for example to go back to the funner times. @Stuvi

Whenever I see someone try to open a store or something it always ends up being the cops that ruin it they seem to always want to find a reason to raid. In my opinion I think cops now these days are more frag hungry then civs most times.

 

[TheXeno]

Rule doesn't need a change. Players need to change. All they care about is kills.

Staff have complained about the way the server has been, kill rp. If you want the server to change YOU guys need to take the first step. And that comes with talking to players or changing rules that encourage RP and not to kill anyone. YOU guys need to do more. Take action on people who refuse to RP. The failRP is insane and you guys need to encourage the good RP.

 

[Stuvi]

The rule literally just allows you to shoot someone if he poses a legitimate threat. You're not forced to shoot him but you can.
Read the first part of the rule

Killing during raids should be carried out sensibly.

It's up to the player to decide how he approaches a raid.

This isn't RuleRP where we restrict everything what you can and cannot do.

 

[Joe Harvest]

The rule literally just allows you to shoot someone if he poses a legitimate threat. You're not forced to shoot him but you can.
Read the first part of the rule


It's up to the player to decide how he approaches a raid.

This isn't RuleRP where we restrict everything what you can and cannot do.

But at the same time when there is too much freedom, the server becomes known for its anarchy and not considered a quality RP server. I am among many who share that good role-play situations, having played on Rockford and now Paralake (I never played on Truenorth), that good and well done RP situations are few and far between as rules aren't always strictly enforced. Monolith RP makes itself appear to be a serious RP server. If this claim is true, I have yet to actually see it.

 

[Jaffar Mahmud]

Yes @Stuvi it is a server like that. But we cant be suprised then if players leave... They join for the strict/serious RP. But with rules like this it takes away from it. I mean you guys removed frag counter for a exact reason. But these rules shouldnt be removed just changed around atleast when Monoford comes out.. If these rules stay no one is gonna stay cause of the RP. Most people i know just get on to frag/raid some people and thats it theyre off right after. While back in the day they used to be for hours open hours role playing and having fun. That whole point of the server is gone now for some reason and we would all like it back, but for that we need you guys to help us! Yes we also need to change no point in lying about that. But if some has no intention to acutally RP and have a fun time then he wont, and these rules encourage him not having to.

 

[Stuvi]

You guys need to make up your minds.

First you wanted us to rework our rules because we were ruleRP with strict enforcement on PvP. You whined that you wanted more freedom on how you approach situations. We've changed that since the Rockford times and never touched those rules again after that (because we didn't have to). Now you whine that there is too much freedom because other players do what you don't like to happen.

These issues didn't exist back then - so don't complain that it's our fault. It's the players that are focusing on the PvP part. We're just providing the platform.

Secondly you wanted to switch back to Paralake and now you have it - you whine that Paralake is actually bad and want to switch maps again.

 

[Jaffar Mahmud]

The rule literally just allows you to shoot someone if he poses a legitimate threat. You're not forced to shoot him but you can.
Read the first part of the rule


It's up to the player to decide how he approaches a raid.

This isn't RuleRP where we restrict everything what you can and cannot do.

And also yes the rule states that its ur decesion, but it really shouldnt be. Just for the same reason cops wont rdm you if you have a weapon holsterd. It should be the same in a raid. You have 2 guns on him he is under fear rp. From there on they shouldnt be allowed to shoot him cause thats just called being frag hungry cause he was no threat or if he trys pulling out the gun then he broke a diffrent rule

 

[TheXeno]

You guys need to make up your minds.

First you wanted us to rework our rules because we were ruleRP with strict enforcement on PvP. You whined that you wanted more freedom on how you approach situations. We've changed that since the Rockford times and never touched those rules again after that (because we didn't have to). Now you whine that there is too much freedom because other players do what you don't like to happen.

These issues didn't exist back then - so don't complain that it's our fault. It's the players that are focusing on the PvP part. We're just providing the platform.

Secondly you wanted to switch back to Paralake and now you have it - you whine that Paralake is actually bad and want to switch maps again.

At different times the community changes, I think we need to take a final stance. You guys should me a poll asking players what they want. Do we want stricter rules that sway towards RP encourages situations or keep it the way it is. Monoford will be something and I think things need to change with it.

 

[Jaffar Mahmud]

You guys need to make up your minds.

First you wanted us to rework our rules because we were ruleRP with strict enforcement on PvP. You whined that you wanted more freedom on how you approach situations. We've changed that since the Rockford times and never touched those rules again after that (because we didn't have to). Now you whine that there is too much freedom because other players do what you don't like to happen.

These issues didn't exist back then - so don't complain that it's our fault. It's the players that are focusing on the PvP part. We're just providing the platform.

Secondly you wanted to switch back to Paralake and now you have it - you whine that Paralake is actually bad and want to switch maps again.

I am not gonna/never did complain about things like this and that is WHY i took this to forums. Even staff agree it would be better to have it changed. And @Stuvi I dont want to act smart but if you look how many players there were when old Paralake was around vs now you will see a massive diffrence. Yes alot of people got banned for stupid but those people deserved it. But the rules should be for strict RP but at the same time fun. Obviously not just for farmers and so on for you can have rules that still making raiding fun. Why kill a man who you put under fear RP just because he has a gun holsterd? there is no gain from it but a few less bullets in his mag and one more kill he has...

At different times the community changes, I think we need to take a final stance. You guys should me a poll asking players what they want. Do we want stricter rules that sway towards RP encourages situations or keep it the way it is. Monoford will be something and I think things need to change with it.

I do agree with @TheXeno completly. Just make a poll and see what the NOWDAY community would like for the upcoming map which is most likely gonna blow(by blow i mean blow up). Yes back in the day there was lots of frag hungry people but alot less now. And alot of us stand that we are playing Monolith for the sick ass RP you cant get on other servers. With what is happening now tbh other servers have that aswell which makes Monolith not a difrent from any other. Back on old Paralake server was full 24/7 cause there was no other server like Monolith and there still isnt any server like how the old Mono was.

 

[Joe Harvest]

Spoiler

You guys need to make up your minds.

First you wanted us to rework our rules because we were ruleRP with strict enforcement on PvP. You whined that you wanted more freedom on how you approach situations. We've changed that since the Rockford times and never touched those rules again after that (because we didn't have to). Now you whine that there is too much freedom because other players do what you don't like to happen.

These issues didn't exist back then - so don't complain that it's our fault. It's the players that are focusing on the PvP part. We're just providing the platform.

Secondly you wanted to switch back to Paralake and now you have it - you whine that Paralake is actually bad and want to switch maps again.

Secondly you wanted to switch back to Paralake and now you have it - you whine that Paralake is actually bad and want to switch maps again.

- As for the map decisions and such, I wasn't here for that so I personally cannot respond.

First you wanted us to rework our rules because we were ruleRP with strict enforcement on PvP. You whined that you wanted more freedom on how you approach situations. We've changed that since the Rockford times and never touched those rules again after that (because we didn't have to). Now you whine that there is too much freedom because other players do what you don't like to happen.

- Granted, I had left on a long break over a year ago, so I missed a lot since Rockford. But, by what you're saying here, whether you mean to or not, sounds like excuses. While I agree that player freedom needs to be given to an extent, there needs to be a balance to a Yin and Yang. While I applaud that there is less, a little less chaos since I left, I still see a lot of the problems that plagued the server back on Rockford. Other than some less chaos, I feel not much in the server has changed. And whether this is true or not, I, among others, do feel that there are at least some on the staff team and even the top brass truly don't appear to care about what happens in the server.