Shimax abusing to get his way.

[Jack Frost]

Your Steam Name: Frost
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:85656506
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Jack Frost

Admin being reported( Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @Shimax ツ

Reason for Report: I was elected mayor. Shortly after, I was pulled over for no good reason and told it was because I was stupid. I drove off, and the cop pursued. I pulled over again, at hospital and some guys hopped in my limo. Then, without reason, a detective code reded me. I drove away, fearing for my life, and got away from the cops for a short time. They found me, started shooting again, and I got away again. At this point, I went in their radio and tried to reason with them, but they said I was shoot on sight. Fairly, I revoked all budget from PD because they were literally shooting me for nothing. There were only 3 cops online, and they all ended up being killed so none of them had guns. I was willing to give them budget for pistols and cars so long as they quit shooting me, but they refused. All the cops got off, and I was just chilling for a time. Then, seemingly from nowhere, 3-7 cops got on and were asking for budget. I ignored them at first, but found myself in a pursuit again so I went on their radio and offered substantial budget if they were to stop chasing me, since they were under new leadership(chief). They agreed, so I added the budget. @StewartJames said for me to pull over because he wanted to give me a cake. I figured he would do something stupid, but I stopped anyway. Sure enough, I got out and he tazed, handcuffed, and attempted to arrest me. This is when my SS @Simon Riley hopped in the drivers seat and drove off with me, releasing me from the cuffs and getting me healed. at this point, I told PD that because of their failure to honor our deal, I was revoking the 15k I gave them and giving them 500 every 5 minutes so they could arm with pistols, as there was no need for primaries(there was little to no crime at the time). Shimax, on cop at the time, started PMing me and saying this wasn't enough, even though for the first 5 or so minutes I was constantly bumping them to 500 so all the cops could get guns and kev. I told him why the budget was reduced, essentially PMing him a summary of everything I said above, but he told me it didn't matter and I was being corrupt. There is no rules saying I need to give the cops enough for primaries, and had he let me explain fully before rashly demoting me, he would've known I was willing to give auxiliary budget during raids/ emergency states for primaries. I, as mayor, am well within my right to lower/ restrict budget to a poorly performing PD, as that's 100% how it would be in real life. There is no reason to give them primaries if they are just gonna falsely shoot me with them. I was giving them enough for each officer to get a gun and kev, so there was nothing wrong with the policy. There were no active orgs running around robbing people with a car full of class 3's, so there was also no reason for the PD to have them. The idea that mayors HAVE to give enough for primaries is not accurate to real life in the slightest, and like I said previously, a mayor can restrict budget to a poorly performing PD, or any city-funded operation for that matter. I got disrespectful in PM's, I won't deny that, but due to the ridiculousness of the situation I was put in, I feel it was completely justified, especially considering the circumstances. I was banned for a day because of the staff diss, but I think he only banned me because he knew he was wrong and was heated about it. There is absolutely no reason to demote a mayor for lowering funding to curb a violent, poorly performing, unreasonable PD.
Time of Occurrence: ~2p.m. EST on 11/24/2020
Evidence to support your claim: I can't really give anything other than screenshots of our PM's, but everything described should be able to be found in logs.

Additional members involved/witnessing: @Simon Riley
Read, understood and followed staff report rules?: Yes

 

[Shimax ツ]

Hi Frost,

Frankly, I'm disappointed you made this staff report and even went as far as to lie in it. I'll break it down as best I can:

but they said I was shoot on sight. Fairly, I revoked all budget from PD because they were literally shooting me for nothing.

Taking matters into your own hands is not allowed. Call staff instead.

I got out and he tazed, handcuffed, and attempted to arrest me. This is when my SS @Simon Riley hopped in the drivers seat and drove off with me, releasing me from the cuffs and getting me healed.

This demonstrates the both of you being corrupt. Let me explain:

1) You must not flee from police as mayor
2) Your secret service is not allowed to release you from police custody for no reason
3) You are not above the law and are liable to tickets and arrests etc.

I was revoking the 15k I gave them and giving them 500 every 5 minutes

This is not enough for the whole police force. You were in essence revoking their ability to play and ruining their RP to enhance yours. It's not allowed.

Shimax, on cop at the time, started PMing me and saying this wasn't enough, even though for the first 5 or so minutes I was constantly bumping them to 500 so all the cops could get guns and kev. I told him why the budget was reduced, essentially PMing him a summary of everything I said above, but he told me it didn't matter and I was being corrupt.

And I was correct. $500 for about 5-6 cops isn't enough. It discourages people from playing police, hence why I stepped in.

There is no rules saying I need to give the cops enough for primaries, and had he let me explain fully before rashly demoting me,

No, there isn't. But $500 isn't enough for the whole PD, even at shorter intervals.

There is no reason to give them primaries if they are just gonna falsely shoot me with them. I was giving them enough for each officer to get a gun and kev, so there was nothing wrong with the policy

Again, call staff if people are shooting you for no reason

There were no active orgs running around robbing people with a car full of class 3's, so there was also no reason for the PD to have them

While this is a reason to reduce budget somewhat, not to the extent where it takes 15 minutes to get a pistol and kevlar.

I got disrespectful in PM's, I won't deny that, but due to the ridiculousness of the situation I was put in, I feel it was completely justified, especially considering the circumstances.

So you think you were justified to do things like this because you felt I was wrong?

I was banned for a day because of the staff diss, but I think he only banned me because he knew he was wrong and was heated about it

No. I banned you because I didn't want you digging yourself a deeper whole. You were showing unacceptable behaviour.

There is absolutely no reason to demote a mayor for lowering funding to curb a violent, poorly performing, unreasonable PD.

You are correct, however there is reason to demote a mayor who refused to listen to me once confronted and continued to argue back against me when I told you to stop what you were doing. I gave you three warnings before demoting you, and you took them for granted. I'm not going to take any of that. You were corrupt, whether you like to admit it or not.

I will leave this to management for review.

 

[Jack Frost]

Taking matters into your own hands is not allowed. Call staff instead.

Handling thing in RP that can be handled in RP is something I have been told to do countless times, also, when you banned me, I had a ticket open for the false code red that was never accepted.

This demonstrates the both of you being corrupt. Let me explain:

1) You must not flee from police as mayor
2) Your secret service is not allowed to release you from police custody for no reason
3) You are not above the law and are liable to tickets and arrests etc.

1) I was fleeing for my life because every time I stopped I was shot, never told to get out, just shot. Had I not fled for my life, it would be failure to value life, or does that rules not apply to this single scenario?
2) The SS was protecting my life as that is his primary concern, above any law.
3) I am above being shot at every corner I turn.

This is not enough for the whole police force. You were in essence revoking their ability to play and ruining their RP to enhance yours. It's not allowed.

I already stated that when I put this policy into effect I continuously bumped the budget as to arm all officers, it wasn't to enhance my RP, it was to keep me from being shot out of my car for no good reason. 500 is enough for a gun, kev, and car of one officer, and like I said, I kept bumping it so you could all arm yourselves.

And I was correct. $500 for about 5-6 cops isn't enough. It discourages people from playing police, hence why I stepped in.

You were wrong, because like I said multiple times, the budget was bumped back to 500 from the point the policy was created to when you stepped in. and again, this is enough for a gun, kev, and car for one officer, and was being resupplied at a rate that would far surpass the rate of officers joining the force once stabilized, which is again why I kept bumping it for the first few minutes.

Again, call staff if people are shooting you for no reason

Again, I did and no one came.

While this is a reason to reduce budget somewhat, not to the extent where it takes 15 minutes to get a pistol and kevlar.

It only took that long because you guys were failing to negotiate with me, and it would take 5 if you read the policy which I guess you chose to ignore?

So you think you were justified to do things like this because you felt I was wrong?

3 messages taken out of context. Nice. They were valid responses for the way you were treating the situation.

No. I banned you because I didn't want you digging yourself a deeper whole. You were showing unacceptable behaviour.

My behavior was justified by your actions, so if it was unacceptable so were those very actions.

You are correct, however there is reason to demote a mayor who refused to listen to me once confronted and continued to argue back against me when I told you to stop what you were doing. I gave you three warnings before demoting you, and you took them for granted. I'm not going to take any of that. You were corrupt, whether you like to admit it or not.

I wasn't arguing, I was explaining the situation and why I was taking this route to deal with it. I didn't take any warnings for granted, I ignored them because they were falsely given to me. I wasn't corrupt, I was responding to the stimuli of the corrupt PD.

 

[Jack Frost]

Frankly, I'm disappointed you made this staff report and even went as far as to lie in it. I'll break it down as best I can:

Also, you're disappointed I made the report? You literally told me to make it lol! And when did I lie?

 

[Shimax ツ]

Handling thing in RP that can be handled in RP is something I have been told to do countless times, also, when you banned me, I had a ticket open for the false code red that was never accepted.

If how you are "handling the situation in RP" is ruining RP for others', it's preferred you don't. Use common sense and show respect to other members of the server. They're here for a good time, just like you.

1) I was fleeing for my life because every time I stopped I was shot, never told to get out, just shot. Had I not fled for my life, it would be failure to value life, or does that rules not apply to this single scenario?
2) The SS was protecting my life as that is his primary concern, above any law.
3) I am above being shot at every corner I turn.

1) Make a report. They're breaking rules if that was the case.
2) Not above the law, no. It's his job and primary concern, yes. But that isn't "above any law"
3) Again, make a report.

I already stated that when I put this policy into effect I continuously bumped the budget as to arm all officers, it wasn't to enhance my RP, it was to keep me from being shot out of my car for no good reason. 500 is enough for a gun, kev, and car of one officer, and like I said, I kept bumping it so you could all arm yourselves.

So, let's do some math.
The cheapest firearm I believe is a $250 pistol without attachments. Kevlar is $100. That takes the total to $350. Add a car, $250. Add them all up
350+250 = 600
See the issue here?

You were wrong, because like I said multiple times, the budget was bumped back to 500 from the point the policy was created to when you stepped in. and again, this is enough for a gun, kev, and car for one officer, and was being resupplied at a rate that would far surpass the rate of officers joining the force once stabilized, which is again why I kept bumping it for the first few minutes.

Previous point answers this. Plus, there were 5 officers in the armory waiting for a gun. That's 600*5. That's 3,000. At that rate, it would've taken you 30 minutes to arm the entire PD. That's not okay when you have that budget already available.

Again, I did and no one came.

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It only took that long because you guys were failing to negotiate with me, and it would take 5 if you read the policy which I guess you chose to ignore?

You aren't claiming ransom for a hostage. You're depriving one of the most active and most important department on the server of money, which they need. That's why I stepped in. It's corruption.

3 messages taken out of context. Nice. They were valid responses for the way you were treating the situation.

It doesn't take much effort to dig into logs and see that there wasn't that much context regarding the situation. I remained professional throughout. It is NEVER acceptable to take disrespect to that degree, especially in an OOC means of communication.

My behavior was justified by your actions, so if it was unacceptable so were those very actions.

Your behaviour was beyond justifiable. Giving staff, a volunteer, shit for simply completing his job and ensuring everyone on the server can have fun doing what they love doing best, is the worse way to get what you want.

I wasn't arguing, I was explaining the situation and why I was taking this route to deal with it. I didn't take any warnings for granted, I ignored them because they were falsely given to me. I wasn't corrupt, I was responding to the stimuli of the corrupt PD.

You were arguing and you were refusing to listen. In fact, you even got defensive when I asked you to listen to me. See below (with context)

Why should I sit here and accept your abuse when all I did was allow those who enjoy playing on cop to do so without putting up with this sort of stuff. It doesn't enhance RP, it just kills off the PD playerbase. Is that really what you want? Because I know that isn't the case.

Also, you're disappointed I made the report? You literally told me to make it lol! And when did I lie?

I was hoping that after you were banned, you'd take a moment to calm down, realize that what you did was wrong and move on. I tell that to everyone I deal with who start flaming in my PMs and they usually do just that.

 

[Jack Frost]

If how you are "handling the situation in RP" is ruining RP for others', it's preferred you don't. Use common sense and show respect to other members of the server. They're here for a good time, just like you.

If you not being able to have a primary ruins your RP, that's truly sad, maybe get better?

1) Make a report. They're breaking rules if that was the case.
2) Not above the law, no. It's his job and primary concern, yes. But that isn't "above any law"
3) Again, make a report.

1) Made a report
2) If secret service has to break a law to save their protected person's life, they will IRL.
3) Again, made a report

So, let's do some math.
The cheapest firearm I believe is a $250 pistol without attachments. Kevlar is $100. That takes the total to $350. Add a car, $250. Add them all up
350+250 = 600
See the issue here?

Ok I'm glad you can do simple addition. Now, remember again how I said I continuously bumped it to 500 over and over so you guys in the armory could get guns. Also, kev isn't a necessity, and the plan was to make the budget accumulate by adding 500 every 5 minutes, so you would conserve it, not to limit it to 500 like you're suggesting. I see no problem here.

Previous point answers this. Plus, there were 5 officers in the armory waiting for a gun. That's 600*5. That's 3,000. At that rate, it would've taken you 30 minutes to arm the entire PD. That's not okay when you have that budget already available.

Previous point was invalid. Atleast 3 of those officers got guns, because I had to bump it at least 3 times before you demoted me.

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That doesn't help me while I'm actively being shot. I'm not gonna lose my mayoral position because you are too busy arguing with me to respond to my ticket. I was told by PMX and HockeyExpert that if something can be dealt with in RP, it should be.

You aren't claiming ransom for a hostage. You're depriving one of the most active and most important department on the server of money, which they need. That's why I stepped in. It's corruption.

I wasn't depriving anyone of money, I was giving it to them at a slow yet consistent rate as to not blow through the budget.

It doesn't take much effort to dig into logs and see that there wasn't that much context regarding the situation. I remained professional throughout. It is NEVER acceptable to take disrespect to that degree, especially in an OOC means of communication.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, but when you're being completely incompetent and not listening to a single thing I'm saying, that is what justifies it. Your "professionalism" include reading what I'm saying and then ignoring it? Thats not how a professional conversation works.

Your behaviour was beyond justifiable. Giving staff, a volunteer, shit for simply completing his job and ensuring everyone on the server can have fun doing what they love doing best, is the worse way to get what you want.

Again, I was consistently supplying sufficient budget for you to arm yourselves with the aforementioned items. You're job doesn't include harrasing me because you can't buy a primary and are mad about it.

You were arguing and you were refusing to listen. In fact, you even got defensive when I asked you to listen to me. See below (with context)

You call that me being defensive? No. That is me calling you out for hypocrisy.

Why should I sit here and accept your abuse when all I did was allow those who enjoy playing on cop to do so without putting up with this sort of stuff. It doesn't enhance RP, it just kills off the PD playerbase. Is that really what you want? Because I know that isn't the case.

Putting up with what? Not being able to use their primaries? Thats all they were putting up with. Actually, restricting budget to a scheduled timetable does enhance RP because that's how it is IRL. A department can't run out of budget and say "we need more or you go to jail" They find a way to use the budget given to them as best they can. The best thing you could've done is bought a pistol and gone on patrol, and waited for more to accumulate to come back and get a primary because as I said, I was constantly bumping it until I had to start arguing with you in PMs.

 

[Shimax ツ]

Your previous response proves my point that you are incapable of handling criticism and being told by staff, bearing in mind I've been here for almost two years, what's right and what's wrong.

You were argumentative and disrespectful, not only towards me, but other players as well. Yes, deal with things in RP as often as possible, but if you read my previous point, you'd understand that I said handling a situation which ruins the game for others IC isn't ideal. What PMX and HockeyExpert most likely meant are things like false arrests, demotions or ticket appeals. Not something like unauthorized corruption, which has an effect on the entire server.

This is my last message, any messages past this will not be responded to by me.

Regards,
-Shimax

 

[Jack Frost]

You were argumentative and disrespectful, not only towards me, but other players as well.

Really? Who else? You were the only person I spoke with on the matter. Making your very first point of response another of hypocrisy

Yes, deal with things in RP as often as possible, but if you read my previous point, you'd understand that I said handling a situation which ruins the game for others IC isn't ideal.

If you read my previous point, you'd understand restricting the PD from primaries doesn't ruin the game unless you're actually so bad you need to use them.

Not something like unauthorized corruption

Wasn't corrupt, already explained why.

This is my last message, any messages past this will not be responded to by me.

Great, you won't keep spewing untrue things.

 

[StewartJames]

I find the sheer number of replies to replies on this thread rather entertaining, as I do the audacity of this staff report.

You drained budget from PD. You fled from PD. There was radio chatter about your SS shooting PD. You negotiated with PD in a way that criminals negotiate with PD. You and your SS jumped into a vehicle while handcuffed to evade... anything that didn't fit your wishes in terms of roleplay.

Now, banned, to the delight of the radio, you make a report about Shimax's blatant abuse of power, banning you for an extensive twenty four hours even after taking into account your history of abuse while acting as mayor.

I see childlike argumentation, childlike consideration of others and now childlike abuse of power systems because things didn't go your way.

Shimax clearly did not abuse his power, and if you spoke to me in the way you have and are to him, following your actions, I would have been far more harsh.

I think you sum up the situation quite well yourself. You were pulled over, drove off, and lured to near custody with a piece of cake. Shimax's intervention may have been the only sensible part of this situation.

That's my piece, given I was tagged, and that will be all.

Thank you.

 

[PMX]

Under review. I'm going to lock this report since it is getting out of hand.

 

[PMX]

Alright so let's address each one of the topics mentioned:

Shortly after, I was pulled over for no good reason and told it was because I was stupid. I drove off, and the cop pursued.

The Police Department is able to pull anyone over, if they deem that necessary. It is up to them to determinate whether that action is warranted. If it is invalid, you are able to speak to a higher up in the department and inform them of what happened. Driving off will give them a reason to chase you, since you are fleeing.

I pulled over again, at hospital and some guys hopped in my limo. Then, without reason, a detective code reded me.

You should have reported this, in such case, in game or on the forums, later on.

They agreed, so I added the budget. @StewartJames said for me to pull over because he wanted to give me a cake. I figured he would do something stupid, but I stopped anyway. Sure enough, I got out and he tazed, handcuffed, and attempted to arrest me. This is when my SS @Simon Riley hopped in the drivers seat and drove off with me, releasing me from the cuffs and getting me healed.

This is not allowed. Secret Service members are never allowed to do such a thing unless permitted by a staff member and the rules.

I gave them and giving them 500 every 5 minutes so they could arm with pistols, as there was no need for primaries(there was little to no crime at the time).

The Mayor is able to adjust the budget depending on the Department's performance, needs and other things. However, this does not mean that you can stop giving them budget or start giving them unrealistic ammounts - You must take into consideration their basic needs as well, in order for them to perform their duties around the city.
The amount depends on the amount of police officers online as well, so we can never say that a certain amount is good without being aware of the situation. Since we do not know the full context, we cannot assess whether it was enough money.

There is no rules saying I need to give the cops enough for primaries

Yes, please read what I wrote above.

In addition, the Mayor is not allowed to be corrupt without permission from a Senior Administrator or above. Do note that any unauthorized corruption will be punished accordingly, and in such cases the Mayor must abide by the law (including permanent laws), as he is not exempt from receiving tickets, being charged or arrested, etc.

I was banned for a day because of the staff diss, but I think he only banned me because he knew he was wrong and was heated about it.

The ban is valid and will remain in place. We will not tolerate that you speak to our staff members or any member of this community like that. If something similar happens again, you will be removed from the community.

With all of what was mentioned above, and since no evidence was provided, it is clear that Shimax did not abuse any administrative powers or broke any rules.
Staff report denied.