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[daddy]

Your Steam Name:
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:79106161
Your Character Name: Jamal Mathews

Ban Length: 2 weeks
Banning Staff Member (@AdminName to mention the staff member): @WhiteBlood

Ban Reason: breaking my 'probation'
Time of Occurrence: 2 minutes ago
Relevant Evidence: none really
Additional members involved/witnessing:

I already know why I got banned. There was a small confrontation with a police officer where I rolled down my window and spit on him via the /me command, and once he pulled out his rifle- was on saftey and then raised, I slammed the gas and drove off which is allowed.

A week ago, maybe longer I was sitting inside of a discord channel with @ChosenDemon @Gurrazor @Johnny183 @Clint
and was told, that in real-life you're instinct was to slam on the gas, and drive off if you had the chance. Which I did.
Gurrazor said himself, that if someone was robbing him or whatever and he was in a vehicle, he'd drive off and take the chance of getting killed or whatever. I could be totally wrong, but i'm almost positive that's the type of conversation that went down. I find it completely ridiculous that i'm even on probation, and I made a thread appealing it but it was just looked over. ( https://monolithservers.com/forums/threads/report-against-verdict-of.4467/ )
I wasn't pulled into an administrative sit, or anything to explain my-side of the story. I was rping and just got banned for no reason whatsoever.

Also, do not instantly deny this. There's lots of questions to be asked, and answered.

 

[Isla]

This is the evidence in question.

A discussion needs to be had about weather this is breaking fear RP. In this specific situation, I would say it is as he is a police officer, and would not shoot you unless you provided a valid reason for him to do so. We'll wait for someone else to review this.

Edit: As for the reason why you were not pulled into a sit, @Aaron informed me of this so I assumed he had talked to you already, which he had not.

 

[Perry]

Also remember:

4.4 When being pulled over, do not speed off/start a pursuit without a valid roleplay reason. A valid reason, for example, is having high calibre weapons equipped on you.

 

[daddy]

Thanks for unlocking the thread.

Also remember:

4.4 When being pulled over, do not speed off/start a pursuit without a valid roleplay reason. A valid reason, for example, is having high calibre weapons equipped on you.

During that confrontation, I had an AR-15 equipped on my back because I was actually heading over there to help a org member out with police, but it turned out to be miss-communication so I just pulled up- spit on the cop and didn't think he'd pull his assault rifle out, because that's just not realistic is it?

Once his rifle was pulled I waited a second till I sped off, cause I indeed had an assault rifle on my back and that would just cause jail time, along with confiscation of the weapon.
Now, the reason I even made an attempt to escape was because I knew I could get out of it. The vehicle I was driving is fast, so I just sped off without a problem and only took a few rounds to the rear of my vehicle. After that I got away safe and sound, going on to do other things.

I've been in multiple admin situations reguarding this kind of the event, and if I'm in a vehicle it's easy to take the chance to get away- especially in a faster one.

This is the evidence in question.

A discussion needs to be had about weather this is breaking fear RP. In this specific situation, I would say it is as he is a police officer, and would not shoot you unless you provided a valid reason for him to do so. We'll wait for someone else to review this.

Edit: As for the reason why you were not pulled into a sit, @Aaron informed me of this so I assumed he had talked to you already, which he had not.

I don't see why I wasn't pulled into a admin sit, but it's whatever I guess.
If I had gotten out of the vehicle, he would have seen the assault rifle on my back and arrested me for it, and confiscated the large amount of illegal drug paraphernalia in my inventory.
I don't think it's fair for me to be banned because of the confusion with the rule, and the amount of different opinions reguarding it. I've been told different things by staff, upper staff, and the founders.

 

[Nick]

I understand im not a part of this, but from the video why was the officer drawing his weapon on him anyway, from what it looks like it wasn't a traffic stop and there was no chase nor was there a threat to him so there was no reason to be aiming or shooting at the car specially since it wasn't deemed code red.
The officer should of went for his vehicle and attempted to pursue the suspect not immediately go for his assault rifle and immediately shoot at him, there shouldn't of been any reason for him to try and put fear RP over him in the first place.. that's just my opinion ill let the admins decide with that tid bit of insight from me as well

 

[daddy]

could this maybe get reviewed? all I want to do is play the server, and what I did wasn't bad. I've been told by multiple staff along with @Gurrazor that what I did was perfectly valid in rp, and abides by ooc rules and regulations.


and don't take this as me being impatient, or disrespectful.
I jus wan play

 

[Gurra]

I said - if - the car was already moving slowly so it could accelerate off the scene very quickly. If it had stopped, and someone was aiming right at you, who would try to drive off?

2 weeks is very long though. FearRP is often something easy to breach in the heat of the moment, so I think the ban ought to be shorter unless it is for repeated rule-breaches.

 

[daddy]

I said - if - the car was already moving slowly so it could accelerate off the scene very quickly. If it had stopped, and someone was aiming right at you, who would try to drive off?

the car I was driving could accelerate very quickly from the scene, which it did. I had an illegal weapon on my back, along with drug paraphernalia in my inventory.
a criminal would take the chance to drive off under the circumstances at hand, which is what I did and it obviously worked out in my favor.

 

[Gurra]

the car I was driving could accelerate very quickly from the scene, which it did. I had an illegal weapon on my back, along with drug paraphernalia in my inventory.
a criminal would take the chance to drive off under the circumstances at hand, which is what I did and it obviously worked out in my favor.

Yeah, I'm speaking generally since you quoted me wrongly. As for your case specifically I would probably not have banned you if I was the admin - although you're definitely on the line for where it becomes breaching FearRP. If he had positioned himself a bit better around you and aimed for you longer - so you driving away wasn't a split second reaction, it would certainly have warranted a ban.

 

[daddy]

Yeah, I'm speaking generally since you quoted me wrongly. As for your case specifically I would probably not have banned you if I was the admin - although you're definitely on the line for where it becomes breaching FearRP. If he had positioned himself a bit better around you and aimed for you longer - so you driving away wasn't a split second reaction, it would certainly have warranted a ban.

I apologize for that, it was a while ago and my memory is spotchy, it was generally speaking.
It's not like I sat there for another second or two, it was only a second later from him taking his weapon/raising it where I sped off.
The plan was to attempt to speed off, and get away, and I was successfull. If he had shot the car up and exploded, I would have listened to him as there wasn't any other option of escape then.

 

[Nick]

Rules

[2] Police Department

#3. Law enforcement can not gun down fleeing suspects unless authorized. You have to engage in a pursuit first. Police can only gun down fleeing suspects if all other attempts at apprehending turn out as a failure

[1] General

#4. When being pulled over, do not speed off/start a pursuit without a valid roleplay reason. A valid reason, for example, is having high calibre weapons equipped on you.

IMO shouldnt of drove off with a gun up to the window IRL id shit my pants if I look out and saw a assault rifle pointing at my window, but the officer was in the wrong here and shouldn't of had the rifle pointed at him anyhow.

 

[Gurra]

Alright so, I noticed WhiteBlood's initial post which requests someone else to review this. I guess since I got this far, I'll do it. I know you had an automatic weapon on you, so rule General #4 doesn't apply.

However, like I said - you're definitely on the line, so going forward you should be more careful. A ban, punishment or warning are appropriate for your actions - even though I personally would not have banned you. However, since this was such a close call: in my opinion, it should be reflected in the punishment length. Therefore you will be unbanned now.

Concluded.