SR - War Chief Ahote

[Puka]

Your Steam Name: Puka
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:45659800
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Julian Salamanca

Admin being reported( Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @WarChiefAhote (Im sorry I cant find the actual @)

Reason for Report: Immaturely handling punishments, Unable to properly reason with someone during a sit, Not properly listening to both sides of a sit and disregarding sides of a story.
Time of Occurrence: 1:30 PM
Evidence to support your claim:

PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BELOW BEFORE WATCHING THIS VIDEO!!! -

The Situation Itsself:

Earlier today I had been doing a jewelry raid with a decent amount of people. During the jewelry raid 2 of our cars were stolen (Anthony Cornelious's lambo, and my Porsche.) This lead us to only having a singular car to flee in when the raid was over. When the time came that we were exiting jewelry store, as we walked out the back of jewelry a cop that had been holding the back door shot at us from the alley way that would be to the left of you if you had just walked out the back door of jewelry. After killing that cop that shot and even killed one of our men it was me and only one other person left, the others had left in that only car we had left.

With this being the case we were now stuck at jewelry (specifically the front of jewelry) where we had no car to leave in. I can confirm this because the absolute second that we realized all cops that would have been a threat to us were dead I ATTEMPTED TO STEAL A POLICE CAR TO LEAVE IN. When I got into the driver seat of the police car the engine was off, and with the only person who had a lockpick already been driving to the drop off location he was no where near to hotwire the engine for us. At this point another cop pulls up to the scene on his second life which we begin to shoot (THIS IS WHERE THE VIDEO I LINKED WILL BEGIN). At this point we are stuck now shooting this cop and still attempting to find a vehicle to leave in. Mind you this whole time I am radioing for someone to pick us up however everyone who could have picked us up was either dead or at the drop off location so we had no choice but to hold cops down while we waited for our pick up.

While we are searching for cars and just waiting for the pick up we then get shot at by a swat sniper that is hiding at Juniper behind his blue dodge charger (this swat sniper was @HockeyExpert30 he may give his two sense on this situation if he may want to) he kills my teammate that I was holding cops off with while we waited for our ride to get here, I push him up to the juniper resident sign from the time of him killing my teammate to now. I then kill the swat sniper.

MIND YOU THIS WHOLE TIME I HAVE NOT FOUND A CAR OR HAS A PICK UP CAME TO PICK ME UP TO THIS POINT I HAD ABSOLUTELY NO WAY OF LEAVING THE SCENE

As I run back to Jewelry (from the juniper sign) is then when finally Anthony comes in a stolen police dodge charger he found that has 2 popped tires, I loot my teammates stuff that had been killed by the sniper and I get in the car to escape. As I get in the car I kill a cop (that had an m4 out while sprinting) and had witnessed me enter my escape vehicle, this was not shown in the video. However right after killing the cop we quickly confirm everyone who was stuck at jewelry is in the car so no one else gets left behind and then leave the scene.

This was when the situation ended.

The sit:

I then a few minutes later, get brought to a roof where War Chief tells me and my teammate i was stuck at jewelry with that we continued killing cops after the raid was over and off the premises. However when I attempted to explain everything I did above I was simply interrupted countless times, ignored, and disregarded.

One point I would like to bring up is one of the times I was interrupted while explaining what is stated above. War Chief told me "Why not flee to the hardware store". However what makes the hardware store any different from fleeing on foot anywhere else? Is the Hardware store property of the Jewelry store?. This was shown in the sit section of the video linked above.

This then lead to War Chief giving me a 2 day weapon blacklist.

Immaturely handling his mistakes:

When War Chief gave me this blacklist he failed to remind me to unequip the M4 I had on my back when respawning me. I PM him saying he forgot and telling him to unblacklist me for half a second to unequip and to then reblacklist me afterwards. What he does instead is spawn me 15ish feet in the air and drops me to my death saying "Dont worry I'll get that off for ya." Which he realizes is not how that works and resorts to doing what I requested with unblacklisting me and reblacklisting me.

Conclusion/Main point:

My overall report is the fact that War Chief was not properly listening to both sides of the story, whether that be constantly interrupting me, or just making me feel like I was talking to a brick wall and my points where not being considered in the sit. And finally when I did have to in a more firm tone ask him to let me speak and stop interrupting me so I could tell my side of the story, he simply disregarded my words completely and handed my punishment anyway. Which was then not handled properly when he messed up the punishment.



Additional members involved/witnessing: Anyone in the Jewelry store raid
Read, understood and followed staff report rules?: Yes

 

[Puka]

@Adam Salvedor

 

[Anthony Cornelia]

yo i was the driver i lockpicked a cop car and started to drive towards the homies then as soon as they see me they jump in and like puka said cops were still shooting at them and we did not want them on our tail, plus they were shooting at us so we had no choice. also we didnt want them to identify us and warrant us at a later stage.

 

[DoomedKnight01]

the reason from dropping you from the height was i figured it'd appear on your dead body so i could drop it on the ground to hand back to you. I had flown away from the room as you were explaining how to get it done which we did eventually do to get the weapon off your back. the reason for the blacklist was the leaving of the property bounds without the intention to flee + the continued sticking around the area ( you could've fled to any nearby store and unequipped awaiting for pickup or took metro to get away) . if the CMS or Staff member handling this report wants to see my footage id me more than happy to hand it off to you to show they both left the bounds of the property to chase cops around the block an kill them. @HockeyExpert30 has his own footage if he wants to share it. Also to finish off and note you claimed you were planning to leave and thats why you left the bounds of the property yet while the raid was still on going your chasing cops around corners and nearby apartments in order to kill them (not staying inside the raid) 3 of the raiders broke this rule if not 4. The staff member handling this report please dm me as i will than send you my footage to you for review. and send further video if i find it after im off work.

 

[Puka]

the reason from dropping you from the height was i figured it'd appear on your dead body so i could drop it on the ground to hand back to you. I had flown away from the room as you were explaining how to get it done which we did eventually do to get the weapon off your back. the reason for the blacklist was the leaving of the property bounds without the intention to flee + the continued sticking around the area ( you could've fled to any nearby store and unequipped awaiting for pickup or took metro to get away) . if the CMS or Staff member handling this report wants to see my footage id me more than happy to hand it off to you to show they both left the bounds of the property to chase cops around the block an kill them. @HockeyExpert30 has his own footage if he wants to share it. Also to finish off and note you claimed you were planning to leave and thats why you left the bounds of the property yet while the raid was still on going your chasing cops around corners and nearby apartments in order to kill them (not staying inside the raid) 3 of the raiders broke this rule if not 4. The staff member handling this report please dm me as i will than send you my footage to you for review. and send further video if i find it after im off work.

1. The cop I chased around the apartment shot first, it is the cop I first mentioned that originally shot when we first even left the back door of jewelry.

2. Cops actively had a description on me and how am I supposed to know its safe to walk into hardware store and unequip, its much easier to say that as someone who is flying around with staff esp. Even if I did walk in and unequip one walk around the block and a cop knows im a culprit.

3. Cops were still actively coming back and shooting at me, im not gonna sit here and try and dodge and weave bullets and not shoot back.

 

[Thanewolfe]

After reviewing the footage, @ 2:30 I can clearly hear Wolv speaking. Therefore, Puka (Wolv) will be removed and this will be reviewed without his input.

 

[Thanewolfe]

Locked for review.

 

[Thanewolfe]

After reviewing the evidence and logs with @War Chief Ahote I have concluded the following:

Rules I observed being broken that warrant staff intervention:

[2.6] FailRP

1. You must abide by realistic roleplay measures. If something you are doing is illogical in a real-life situation, then you can’t do it on the server.

[4.2] Criminal Raiding Rules

1. You are required to leave the area you raid after you remove, destroy, or steal anything of value, regardless of the raid’s success. You may not stick around or wait until something of value is obtainable.
2. During a police raid, the defending party of a raid is required to stay within their property limits, unless their intention is to flee and hide from law enforcement.
3. Killing during raids should be carried out sensibly. If there is a legitimate threat on the property of which you are raiding, it is reasonable to enter with the intent to kill.
   For example, if anyone at the targeted property has a weapon equipped, the base as a whole constitutes a legitimate threat, and you may kill everyone that has not visibly surrendered inside it.

As an individual who had just committed a crime by robbing a jewelry store, your only goal is to leave the area and flee with your ill-gotten gains. Instead of fleeing, or defending within the property limits, you went on the offensive. One could reasonably conclude that you had multiple avenues of escape and equally as many opportunities. Furthermore, advancing well beyond property limits, walking in the middle of the street, pushing a SWAT Sniper, and openly brandishing a firearm in public less than a mile away from the Police station proves your intentions were to provoke or incite further violence for your own mere enjoyment. I understand your main argument was that you could not procure a vehicle, however, fleeing on foot was a viable option as you have the Metro station close by, both alleyways, hardware, and more.

I do not see misuse of staff powers, nor do I see any violations of internal staff policy.

This being said, I still see room for improvement with @War Chief Ahote, as he could have done a better job explaining these rules. Additionally, dropping Puka (Wolv) to remove his weapon was bad practice, I have since advised him of a better way to handle it.

Staff report concluded.