Staff Report

[FluffyGamer]

Your Steam Name: FluffyGamer
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:206125105
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Larry Winters

Admin being reported( Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @Arroyo

Reason for Report: I come to the forms yet again disappointed in a member of the monolith staff team. Tonight me and my buddies, after days of grinding for drills, finally attempted the cargo ship raid. We had secured ourselves onto the boat when the drills did not go into the crates supposedly because there was not enough cops on but we would have no way of knowing that unless we had metagamed using the tab menu. After being there for around 7-10 minutes Arroyo proceeds to tell us its time to leave which was confusing since we had not lockpicked anything so in our mind there was no raid. Arroyo then told us get off or I will respawn you which left little option and also when I asked him to pick up my drill since it was glitched and could not be picked up he refused. As I'm walking I made a remark to my friends and Arroyo let his immaturity drive his actions and abuse his power by gagging me with no warning, no valid reason, and no set length. As a senior Administrator, Arroyo is meant to be not only a model member of the community but also a leader for other staff to follow. How can someone who doesn't have the maturity to withstand one comment without abusing his power be allowed in a leading staff position. It is simply a terrible example for members and other staff below him. To put this in perspective for anyone who is confused, a teacher may have a student who talks in class. When the teacher assigns an exam they can not simply restrict the student who talks to not taking the exam and receiving an automatic fail for being annoying in class. The teacher has the responsibility to rise and remain above any moral level the student is on much like a staff member and especially a Senior Administrator. To conclude, the power of being an Senior Administrator is not only staffing responsibilities but being a leader for civilians and staff alike. Someone who lacks the basic traits of maturity should not hold such a position.
Time of Occurrence: 9/22/21 Aprox 10:10 PM EST
Evidence to support your claim: https://medal.tv/clips/65708668/d1337DYTbdu4?invite=cr-MSxrRUMsNDkzNTA4OCw=

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[FluffyGamer]

I'll delete this post if asked, but from my experience with raids:

the drills did not go into the crates supposedly because there was not enough cops on but we would have no way of knowing that unless we had metagamed using the tab menu.
I haven't ever seen anyone punished for something like this. It might technically be metagaming, but it's not punishable in any way or form, and it is extremely important to do this before trying *any* raid, let alone the cargo ship. Everyone I know is willing to do this kind of thing, and IC it makes sense if you could look on a website to see how many cops are currently patrolling, etc. There is no specific definition on whether or not the tab menu is metagaming, and I'd wager it isn't.

After being there for around 7-10 minutes Arroyo proceeds to tell us its time to leave which was confusing since we had not lockpicked anything so in our mind there was no raid.
The rules say that the cargo ship is one of only two raid locations where people are allowed to counter-raid, so technically someone could counter raid, so you weren't "blocking" anything. However, the cargo ship is a prime hotspot and y'all were guarding it with a physical presence, including guns. Surely you would have shot or held-at-gunpoint any cops who came up to interfere with you? Surely you would have scared off any other criminals trying a raid of their own? If you would have done anything like that, it counts as a raid, and you could be accused of camping it without doing anything except preventing other people from using it.

I asked him to pick up my drill since it was glitched and could not be picked up he refused.
I don't think drills can be picked up, and I think that's part of their design. You certainly can't pick up normal drills, so this seems like intended behavior.

I'm not sure why you are commenting on this as only myself, staff being reported, and higher staff can respond. I'm not even going to acknowledge anything you have said but recommend sticking to your own posts considering you joined less than a month ago.

 

[Arroyo]

Hello! So I am not really sure how to respond to this so here we go, you guys as you said were on a cargo ship waiting for cops to come on. The cop counts continuously went down from 7 cops to 5 and when the time had passed I pmed Spark 3g that it was time to go, he acknowledged this pm and even read it out to you guys on your radio frequency. When he said this he started to leave the cargo ship and you stayed claiming it was a public monument and that there was no rule preventing you from staying. You also claimed it was not a raid until you place the drill, which is false. A raid begins once you're on the property committing illegal activity, especially with your intentions. You guys were on a cargo ship with equipped illegal weapons attempting to drill a box, once you left it put you on raid timer. I also told Spark 3g and if I remember correctly I told you that I cant give you the drill because it is intended to be not picked up. You are also correct, I did tell you that I wouldn't argue with you and would respawn you if you did not start to leave. Once you started leaving you decided to call me 14-year-old staff member who has no maturity, you also have a history of unacceptable behavior and toxicity. As a result, you were gagged for about an estimated 4-5 minutes to make sure you would not have another unacceptable behavior punishment.

If you are thinking about saying I am making up rules and that the rule is not there, we do not make rules stating every single instance what is allowed and what is not. You can ask any staff member and they will all tell you the same answer that you are not allowed to stay at a raid to wait for cops or to simply mess around. I also don't get your teacher reference, not to be rude but many teachers do actually invalidate your test if you mess around during the testing environment. Nobody was punished during this situation, everyone simply left the cargo ship raid and was put on raid timer. The person also handling this report can also see my pms in logs and see I didn't even argue in pms, I simply said about leaving cargo ship, not being able to wait around, and that I can not pick up your drill for you.

 

[FluffyGamer]

Hello! So I am not really sure how to respond to this so here we go, you guys as you said were on a cargo ship waiting for cops to come on. The cop counts continuously went down from 7 cops to 5 and when the time had passed I pmed Spark 3g that it was time to go, he acknowledged this pm and even read it out to you guys on your radio frequency. When he said this he started to leave the cargo ship and you stayed claiming it was a public monument and that there was no rule preventing you from staying. You also claimed it was not a raid until you place the drill, which is false. A raid begins once you're on the property committing illegal activity, especially with your intentions. You guys were on a cargo ship with equipped illegal weapons attempting to drill a box, once you left it put you on raid timer. I also told Spark 3g and if I remember correctly I told you that I cant give you the drill because it is intended to be not picked up. You are also correct, I did tell you that I wouldn't argue with you and would respawn you if you did not start to leave. Once you started leaving you decided to call me 14-year-old staff member who has no maturity, you also have a history of unacceptable behavior and toxicity. As a result, you were gagged for about an estimated 4-5 minutes to make sure you would not have another unacceptable behavior punishment.

If you are thinking about saying I am making up rules and that the rule is not there, we do not make rules stating every single instance what is allowed and what is not. You can ask any staff member and they will all tell you the same answer that you are not allowed to stay at a raid to wait for cops or to simply mess around. I also don't get your teacher reference, not to be rude but many teachers do actually invalidate your test if you mess around during the testing environment. Nobody was punished during this situation, everyone simply left the cargo ship raid and was put on raid timer. The person also handling this report can also see my pms in logs and see I didn't even argue in pms, I simply said about leaving cargo ship, not being able to wait around, and that I can not pick up your drill for you.

Lets be very clear, you did not gag me to be my parental advisor and make sure I would not have a "outbreak". Its rather funny that you would claim you gagged me since you were looking out for me and did not want me to be punished. There was literally 2 seconds between my comment and you gagging me. I find it rather hard to believe that you even typed that command that fast meaning you had far made the decision to gag me before the comment. In addition I don't know how you can sit here and lie to everyone saying you somehow checked my logs and made a decision to gag me between my comment and your act of immaturity.

 

[FluffyGamer]

Just to be clear in accordance with the rules, we did not raid so If you feel we did a specific rule must be added. We did not destroy, remove, or steal anything of value and that is the prerequisites to be required to leave.

1. "You are required to leave the area you raid after you remove, destroy, or steal anything of value. You may not stick around."
   
   
   

 

[Thanewolfe]

Under review.

 

[Thanewolfe]

@FluffyGamer,

Thank you for your report.

Arroyo had given your group ample warning to exit the area of the cargo ship raid. You proceeded to make a disrespectful comment directly targeted at him, to which you were gagged for said behavior. He is a volunteer staff member and is a Senior Administrator, I do not see any need to justify his actions, especially when your behavior warranted such a response. As for the content of the report, players may not sit around at a designated raid area until there are enough Police online to conduct said raid, this would be unrealistic and Fail RP, as you're openly conducting an illegal raid with zero regard for consequences (class 3's & intent to raid being publicly displayed for 7-10 minutes) As for the raid timer, regardless of whether the raid was successful or not, raid timer still applies, it is entirely up to you and your crew to plan accordingly. Furthermore, as for checking the scoreboard to verify the amount of Police on at the time to correctly conduct your raid, I see no issue with doing that. The whole point here is to be in and out quickly and quietly (as quiet as you can, anyway). Also, we do not refund drills that are placed, once deployed, they cannot be picked up (this is intentional), the only time a refund will be given is when a rule-break occurs that forces the raid to be voided.

Rules in question referenced in the report.

• FailRP - Actions performed by your character that are not realistic and do not correlate with the setting of the server and your roleplay role.
• You must abide by realistic roleplay measures. If something you are doing is illogical in a real life situation, then you can’t do it on the server.
• Do not take matters into your own hands. The staff is here for a reason. Their decisions are final. Do not disrespect or test their patience. Take it to the appropriate forum board if required.

As such, this staff report will be denied.

Best Regards,
Thanewolfe