Staff Report

[Knight]

Your Steam Name: Knight
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:18519180
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Aiden Landini

Admin being reported( Tag by writing @ before their forum name) @Aaron

Evidence: [URL]https://monolithservers.com/forums/threads/raid-and-lsd-for-jack-roosevelt.39279/#post-231693[/URL]

Reason for Report: I'm reporting Aaron for verbally warning me for something I didn't do. Upon logging into the server today, I was immediately warned by [USER=7428]@Cozy for an alleged violation of 4.2.8, which states:

"Killing during raids should be carried out sensibly. If there is a legitimate threat on the property you are raiding, it's reasonable to enter with the intent to kill. For example, if anyone at the targeted property has a weapon equipped, the base as a whole constitutes a legitimate threat, and you may kill everyone who has not visibly surrendered inside it."​

I received this verbal warning despite not being the person who killed the individual in question; I merely looted them moments later. Regardless of your interpretation of a "verbal warning" as noted by Aaron, indicating that it was logged "to inform you in case you break that rule in the future," I did not break this rule. It's not customary to verbally warn individuals about every server rule and log it for potential future violations. I did not violate this rule, and while I have no issue returning items, I do take issue with being warned or punished for something I explicitly didn't do. The video that was posted (now inaccessible) clearly did not show me RDMing anyone, and a brief examination of the logs confirmed that I didn't kill the individual in question.
Furthermore, Aaron's demeanor during our Discord exchange was entirely confrontational. The server's staff should not arbitrarily or haphazardly ascribe rule violations, as was done in this case. Aaron needs to be educated on the proper use of verbal warnings, their effectiveness, how to talk to people in a professional manner, and whether it's appropriate to issue warnings for rules explicitly not violated. Furthermore, asking staff to verify the veracity of an "offline punishment" is the bare minimum expectation, and I would advise talking to @Cozy about how to do this properly in the future. If a player has evidence to the contrary, you should open to engaging and finding an appropriate resolution in-game without the need to take the issue to the forums for higher-ups to review. There is zero excuse for issuing a punishment, regardless of severity, because you couldn't be bothered to even read the logs posted in the report.
Thank you.



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[Aaron]

Raiding party killed without reason, you're involved with raiding party, I made sure you were aware of the rule. Nothing in my demeanor was confrontational, rude or unprofessional. I gave facts, and answers to your statements.

Please review the rules so you and the players you're involved with do not create an unfortunate situation such as that one again.

For administrative purposes, please see this refund request as reference: https://monolithservers.com/forums/threads/raid-and-lsd-for-jack-roosevelt.39279

 

[Knight]

This server, as far as I'm aware, has never been in the business of assigning individual responsibility to other individuals. Can you tell me where in the rules it is an established expectation that I am to be in full control of other individuals? Why would I have a note added to my logs for a rule violation I flagrantly didn't commit? Respectfully, I think you need a refresher on server rules and staff guidelines so that you realize why it isn't alright to issue punishments to players who explicitly didn't do what you accused them of.

You and I are both aware that "verbal warnings" have an impact on how future rulebreaks, even mistakes, are treated. I did not violate the rule, and I should not face any negative repercussions for anyone else's actions.

Edit: Provided more of conversation

 

[Cozy]

Hello @Knight,

I'm sorry if you feel as if I didn't handle the offline punishment properly but like I said ingame you were flagged for a watchlist and I just read the offline punishment and carried out what another staff member requested.

 

[Knight]

Hello @Cozy ,

Apologies that I did not make it clear with my first post. You are being reported for poor situational judgment and unprofessional behavior. In the initial sit, you demanded all items from me and gave me a verbal warning despite me showing you evidence that I did not violate a single rule on the server. Nevertheless, I freely returned all of the items to you. I don't see why the items needed to be refunded, as despite the fact that another individual violated a rule by killing the person too quickly, they would have lost 100% of their illegal items anyway.

After you did this, and after I conversed with @Aaron for several minutes on Discord, you returned to me out of nowhere and demanded $36,000 from me, refusing to check logs and instead put a watch out for the individual I freely gave LSD to. So, I broke no rules, obtained items that would've been obtained whether someone else broke a rule or not, and you saw fit to demand $36,000 from me, in what seemed like a retaliatory (for speaking out to Aaron) move.

Not once in over 8,000 sits did I ever consider demanding money from a player because they didn't have the item I was looking for. You should be expected to do your due diligence and use logs to put a watch out on the individual in question in such a situation. Instead, you (minutes after I talked to Aaron) demanded $36,000 from me, despite the fact I freely returned a myriad of items, told you that I freely gave the missing items away, and broke no rules.

Objectively, does this demeanor seem reasonable, professional, or competent? Why would you issue a punishment/warning, however severe, despite the fact a cursory glance at the report in question indicated I violated no rules? Why would you demand $36,000 10 minutes after dealing with me, when I freely returned items to you and had nothing left to give, when you could have instead put a watch list on the individual who had the items?

 

[Aaron]

Why would you demand $36,000 10 minutes after dealing with me, when I freely returned items to you and had nothing left to give, when you could have instead put a watch list on the individual who had the items?

Update: This is the first time you mentioned to me that you gave away 4x LSD stacks to Ansly. Your refund will be at the bank, with the teller at the far left. The rest of the items/money will be recovered from Ansly.

Cozy's job is to follow the offline punishments to the letter. The team policy is to recover the items regardless of what occurs in the sit between you and him. He has performed his duties as directed, exactly as he has been instructed.

 

[Knight]

Update: This is the first time you mentioned to me that you gave away 4x LSD stacks to Ansly. Your refund will be at the bank, with the teller at the far left. The rest of the items/money will be recovered from Ansly.

Cozy's job is to follow the offline punishments to the letter. The team policy is to recover the items regardless of what occurs in the sit between you and him. He has performed his duties as directed, exactly as he has been instructed.

I directly mentioned this to Cozy in the sit, who instructed me that he needed $36,000 from me (5-10 minutes AFTER I started talking with you and he demanded all of the items from me that I had in my possession), and who told me that you were the one that arrived upon this number.

Did Cozy arrive at this number independently? Who was responsible for taking $36,000 from me for violating no rules and returning all of the items in my possession which would have been acquired, rule break or no rule break?

How is this the first time you've heard of this? Furthermore, no, his job as a moderator is to issue punishments to people who were responsible for violating rules. If you told him that I was responsible for something I clearly wasn't, and you refused to back down (as you still are, with a theory of communal punishment, despite video and log evidence to the contrary), it is within his prerogative to tell this to you.

As a question, did you even punish the individual who ACTUALLY violated the raid rule? To be clear, my biggest pet peeve with this whole report is that you decided to mark up my record because of something I didn't do, flagrantly. It's unacceptable, and I certainly hope you don't follow this logic with more significant punishments. I trust the management team will review that behavior effectively.

Nobody is subject to following offline punishments to the letter when there is evidence to the contrary of your assertion. You were wrong to issue the punishment to me for someone else's actions, he was wrong to go along with it despite proof to the contrary, and how the items were recovered reflected poor judgment on all involved. I find it funny that you don't think he warrants being "talked to", as he was clearly "involved". Funny how that logic goes out the window.

This situation could have been immediately resolved had you not been stand-offish in Discord from the get go, as the second posted picture shows. I would have preferred to clarify the issue with you, especially insofar as I broke quite literally no rules and you refused to back down on the warning for a rule violation I didn't commit. When you make a mistake, own up to it instead of doubling down.

I'm sorry you feel as if you shouldn't be advised of staff guidelines and the rules. Where did I hear something like that before?

 

[something]

Hello @Knight

After speaking with both @Cozy and @Aaron we've determined that:
Cozy did his job right and no blame should be cast on him for handling the offline punishment issued by Aaron. The offline punishment itself was not placed correctly by Aaron, a quick check over your logs should've revealed that the majority of the drugs you took from the guy who was RDMd have been given to the person that killed him and the 36,000$ shouldn't have been requested by Cozy from you, as for your point that no money should be requested by players, I believe Cozy acted with his best judgement in the situation, we can request for the money of items if they are missing from the offline punishment.

Based of the logs at the time of the RDM there is nothing linking you with the murder as you did no damage to the victim and evidence proving otherwise have not been obtained, therefore we believe you shouldn't have been given a warning (verbal one that stays on your record) for something you did not commit even with the intention of making you aware of it's existence.

We hope that such rushed offline punishment are not going to be issued anymore as reviewing the logs should've given a clear idea of the situation to whoever is issuing it.
@Aaron has been talked with and understands why a verbal warning shouldn't have been issued in your case. The warning has been removed from your record.

Staff report concluded.