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Your Steam Name: Realzx
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:12964148
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Danny Trevors


Admin being reported: @sp00fy


Reason for Report: Unreasonable ban
Time of Occurrence: 4pm - 31st Jan
Evidence to support your claim: So this first started when he apparently watched me play with some friends I met ingame and accused us of using a 3rd party voice communication because we was being quiet ingame when we was not.

He then took us out of our RP situation and tried to force us to admit to something we wasn't doing because of his assumptions. He strictly told us that if we was to use any 3rd party voice communications it can only be the monolith discord. Shortly after this he switched to cop and started to witch hunt and harass us. He was consistently coming to our apartment and knocking on the door on multiple different occasions, giving tickets to our cars, driving around, hanging around outside and basically looking for any reason he could within the rules to ruin our RP experience on the server. Later that same day I was playing with one of the guys I met and we decided to jump on the discord that he told us to use.

A video evidence was posted by the guy I met @SpAxx which was completely unrelated to the whole situation, the admin found the video (I have no idea how, he was clearly digging deep for the witch hunt by going on this guys youtube and checking out all his videos) and used it as evidence against us. He again assumed something that was incorrect (that we wasnt using the monolith discord) and took it upon himself to issue a ban. He privately messaged us telling us that we would get a ban for meta gaming, lying to an admin and not using the monolith discord (the one he told us to use). I did not lie to him at all and at the time I did not realize that using the discord was not allowed for talking about ingame situations (I thought that was the whole point of using the discord considering how much he emphasized we used it).

So yes I admit to what I did but you can understand from my perspective it seemed unclear that the discord was not to be used for ingame communication, but in no way does it warrant a 3 day for a first time offence on this, a simple warning about it would of been sufficient and I mean I own a radio ingame there is no need for me to use a 3rd party to communicate. This admin has based the majority of this ban on assumptions without any actual evidence and is acting irresponsible and unprofessional because we robbed him ingame. Im sure he will lie and say it has nothing to do with that but clearly, it does. Im pretty sure there is no admin that would witch hunt players so much for such a minor infringement and issue such a harsh and unreasonable punishment without solid evidence. This admin clearly has a grudge on me because of in character actions and the situation is definitely not being handled fairly. He also stated that the ban was going to be originally 5 days but since hes such a nice guy in his own words he has reduced it down to 3. I brang this up with a senior admin and he stated that a ban for this being the first rule break of this nature would be unnecessary which I would completely agree.

From my perspective an admin is there to make sure everybody on the server is enjoying them self within reason, make sure people are not intentionally or extensively breaking rules and to use their common sense with dealing with situations, help people so they want to return to the server and issue punishments in a fair and respectable manor. I do not think admins should be witch hunting individuals for minor rule breaks or ingame related grudges, attempting to ruin their RP experience as best they can within the rules and issuing harsh and unreasonable punishments to extremely active players.

It doesn't make sense that somebody would go to such lengths to find out this information and then issue such a harsh punishment unless there was some other reasoning behind it. Im not sure exactly what was in the video because I havent seen it but ive only ever used discord once with @SpAxx and it was for a total of around 15 minutes on the monolith discord. I did not intentionally break any rules nor did I lie to him and I legitimately thought the discord was used for talking to your friends ingame.



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First off, let me just call out for yet another lie.

Later that same day I was playing with one of the guys I met and we decided to jump on the discord that he told us to use.
He again assumed something that was incorrect (that we wasnt using the monolith discord)

You claim you were using the Monolith Discord.

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In this PM, you told me he "rung you". This means he initiated a private call on either Discord, Steam or similar, which also means you were not using the Monolith Discord, but rather communicating in a private call.

I'll be posting the full logs of our private conversations on both Discord and forums, and I believe these include more than sufficient explanation as to why you deserve the punishment you have received.

Forum conversation:
https://i.imgur.com/UO1y2Ky.jpg
Interesting how your buddy took down the video immediately after he realized it was public. Perhaps he can republish it for the sake of the report?

Discord conversation:
https://pastebin.com/WvDePFnx

The amount of unwarranted accusations, both in this thread and in PMs, you and your friends have tossed at me since yesterday is beyond acceptable, and can almost be described as harrasment. I'm not going to explain myself regarding my "witch hunt" against you in-game. No, I was not trying to "ruin your RP experience". I responded to 911 calls in your area and investigated accordingly. And yes, I ticketed your illegally parked cars. How dare I?

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To be quite honest with you, considering the amount of work I've put in, and the amount of tolerance I've had with you guys, I do not deserve be accused of all this shit. I guarantee you that most other staff members would had handled this entire thing very differently. I try to care about you guys properly understanding the fault of your actions, so that you can improve, and this is how you react. Childish.
 
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Where I said "he rings me" might or might not of been the situation that was in the video, considering I have not seen it, I was just explaining what happend that day.

"First off, let me just call out for yet another lie." Heres another case of you assuming something rather than actually having proof, so please don't try and call me out for lying when its impossible that you would know.

I mean it really is rich coming from you to say "unwarranted accusations" when you pretty much tried to force us to admit to something we didn't do because you "assumed" we was using a 3rd party voice communication thats pretty much the definition of an unwarranted accusation.

Still nothing you've said here explains why you went to such lengths to gather evidence to execute an extremely harsh punishment, unless there was another motive behind it......

Its also pretty convenient that immediately after you switch to cop you get a call that requires you to come knocking on our door multiple times when we didn't even leave our apartment just after we left a sit with you that did not end the way you wanted it to. Thats all a pretty damn big coincidence.
 
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Erm, I sincerely do not see a reason for this staff report. The ban you have received is in no way "unreasonable" nor is it unwarranted:
You are stating you haven't used any third party voice communication services to transmit IC information:
[...]using a 3rd party voice communication because we was being quiet ingame when we was not.[...]

When you infact did:
[...]Later that same day I was playing with one of the guys I met and we decided to jump on the discord that he told us to use.[...]

Yet, stating you didn't "know" & lie:
[...]He privately messaged us telling us that we would get a ban for meta gaming, lying to an admin and not using the monolith discord (the one he told us to use). I did not lie to him at all and at the time I did not realize that using the discord was not allowed for talking about ingame situations)[...]


You finally realize that you screwed up and broke the rule but state...
So yes I admit to what I did but you can understand from my perspective it seemed unclear that the discord was not to be used for ingame communication
while our rules CLEARLY state
When playing on the server, our Discord is the only allowed third-party program for communication - organisations get their own channel only accessible to their members. It is prohibited to use the discord for IC communication, eg: sharing locations, agreeing on meetings, trades etc.



You are trying to blame sp00fy for assuming things, so here I am to blame you for assuming things:
[...](I have no idea how, he was clearly digging deep for the witch hunt by going on this guys youtube and checking out all his videos)[...]
[...]This admin has based the majority of this ban on assumptions without any actual evidence and is acting irresponsible and unprofessional because we robbed him ingame.[...]
[...]Im pretty sure there is no admin that would witch hunt players so much for such a minor infringement and issue such a harsh and unreasonable punishment without solid evidence.[...]
[...]This admin clearly has a grudge on me because of in character actions and the situation is definitely not being handled fairly.[...]
[...]I do not think admins should be witch hunting individuals for minor rule breaks or ingame related grudges, attempting to ruin their RP experience as best they can within the rules and issuing harsh and unreasonable punishments to extremely active players.[...]
Unless you are able to prove any of this - with actual reviewable evidence - all these statements are simply incorrect and made up assumptions.
 

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First off, let me just call out for yet another lie.




You claim you were using the Monolith Discord.

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In this PM, you told me he "rung you". This means he initiated a private call on either Discord, Steam or similar, which also means you were not using the Monolith Discord, but rather communicating in a private call.

I'll be posting the full logs of our private conversations on both Discord and forums, and I believe these include more than sufficient explanation as to why you deserve the punishment you have received.

Forum conversation:
https://i.imgur.com/UO1y2Ky.jpg
Interesting how your buddy took down the video immediately after he realized it was public. Perhaps he can republish it for the sake of the report?

Discord conversation:
https://pastebin.com/WvDePFnx

The amount of unwarranted accusations, both in this thread and in PMs, you and your friends have tossed at me since yesterday is beyond acceptable, and can almost be described as harrasment. I'm not going to explain myself regarding my "witch hunt" against you in-game. No, I was not trying to "ruin your RP experience". I responded to 911 calls in your area and investigated accordingly. And yes, I ticketed your illegally parked cars. How dare I?

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To be quite honest with you, considering the amount of work I've put in, and the amount of tolerance I've had with you guys, I do not deserve be accused of all this shit. I guarantee you that most other staff members would had handled this entire thing very differently. I try to care about you guys properly understanding the fault of your actions, so that you can improve, and this is how you react. Childish.
i would like to add the reason i took the video down is i take all my report videos down after they are done with
 

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@Stuvi Your misunderstanding the situation here, the time where he brang us into a sit and asked us if we was using discord was not the same situation that was in the video.

And for all the assumptions, im making a staff report not issuing a ban. Whats the problem with me assuming things?
 

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This is under review.
 

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After reviewing the provided evidence from both sides I have come to the conclusion to deny this staff report.

The fact how you (attempted to) tell your story made it really hard to understand and put into a way so it makes sense. Using any kind of third party voice services to exchange IC (in-character) information is prohibited - even on our own Discord server. Our current rule that covers this topic is the following:
When playing on the server, our Discord is the only allowed third-party program for communication - organisations get their own channel only accessible to their members. It is prohibited to use the discord for IC communication, eg: sharing locations, agreeing on meetings, trades etc.
There is no way you can "miss" or "misunderstand" this rule. You say by yourself: you already played here for a couple of weeks... by that time you should be familiar with the majority of our rules.
 
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