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Timmy Lancaster

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Your Steam Name: Timmy Wong - https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198273608603/
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:156671437 - 76561198273608603
Your Character Name (If Applicable): Timmy Monster


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@Valentino Meid

Reason for Report: disagreement on a Ban/Ban appeal
Time of Occurrence: 9:20 am - 10:20 am
Evidence to support your claim: https://monolithservers.com/forums/threads/timmy-monsters-ban-appeal.15151/#post-90757
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Before people get the wrong idea I think valentino is a excellent staff member and im not going after any punishments if my staff report were to be accepted I just disagree with him.

if you look at the link it explains everything but i will copy and paste it on here
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what happened was i rented parker out and while i was at real estate i saw @Anthony Hanson i later see him 2 minutes later at parker (my base) i just rented out with 2 other guys. they proceed to rob me and i was able to get him to admit he was at real estate on video. A admin came and proceeded to tell me i didnt have enough proof so we continued the rp situation. After that i got some of my friends we were all geared up with guns and while we are driving i see their vehicle. I pull up all of us had guns in out hands including the cops. I was told by a mentor and staff members if both party has a weapon out they can open fire. If it is holstered on their back they need to try and put you under fear rp. I sprayed the 2 cops down and proceeded to rob the guys that had raided me. According to valentino he was spectating and he saw everything he told me i was going to get banned for a day for rdm 2x. I think the situation should have been voided... no one has told me still whats right and whats wrong

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Valentino -
I didn't see if the cops had guns out or not but if they did then you should have just waited until they left because the guy wasn't being arrested or anything but no you just opened fire on them and shot them. Also whenever you aren't sure about a rule just go to the rules at the forums and there you will see initiation isn't even there. The rules state however you need a valid RP reason to kill someone and because the cops were near someone you wanted to kidnap or mug or whatever doesn't mean you should just kill them.

I'm gonna be denying this appeal, if you feel like this was handled wrong you can make a staff report so community management can handle it.

Kind regards,
Valentino.
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When we arrived to the situation we were not sure if the cops would leave or not if they were to take Anthony (the guy that raided me) and his friends to the
PD. If they took them back to the police department if would make it a lot more harder for us to get our hands on them.

I have been told by Mentors in !help chat if both parties (Cop - Us) have weapons out initation is not needed and can open fire. But if the weapon was holstered on their back the opposing party has to try and put them under fear rp. With this information i got from a Mentor I proceeded to open fire on them i killed 2 cops and i then got banned by valentino for rdm 2x i explained to him if this is the case i have been told false information from numerous amount of staff but i still got banned.

one of my friends said he did initiate but i didn't hear.

"Also whenever you aren't sure about a rule just go to the rules at the forums and there you will see initiation isn't even there "
I asked a mentor because that's what mentors are for and i was told the wrong thing.

I think the situation should have been voided because you said yourself "I didn't see if the cops had guns out or not "
and no one had proof if they did or did not
 

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Where is the evidence to support any of your claims?
 

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Where is the evidence to support any of your claims?

yesterdays chat logs? for !help i believe it was sack of salt that said they can shoot you if you have a illegal gun on your back then @ELIASS corrected him explaining they have to try and put me under fear rp and @Maj.Kat in a sit ages ago told me "they cant initiate if you have a gun in your and but if it on your back they have to"

i have no screenshot or video of them saying these things i just know they did

i do understand the excuse of "another staff/mentor member told me i could" is used alot im just going off of what people tell me since there are no "initiation rules" i get confused when people tell me different things i dont know who to listen to.

i just wanna get unbanned so i can play again...
 

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Look I get you could have made this mistake if staff and a mentor actually told you this but according to that logic you can just walk around with a weapon and kill every cop that currently has a gun out, if the person you wanted to mug/kidnap or whatever had a gun out I would understand you killed them but the cops had nothing to do with that and they were just pulling him over, I think you should have waited until either party left. With the whole a mentor telling your whole thing I suggest making a report on him but at the time of this incident I couldn't have known if this actually happened or not and if it actually happened i would have just corrected you and voided you the situation but because so many people use the excuse of being told otherwise by staff or mentors I simply can't believe you on your word.
 

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i was also watching this stream and it shows a situation where both party's have guns out and shot without initiation

the staff member also states "if they see your illegal action yes" you can shoot them the cops saw me walk to them with a fully automatic 7.62 scar im pretty sure thats illegal.

the cops also had guns in their hands
 

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You may not shoot at officers that are not initiating on you and haven't initiated on you. If they don't care about you, there is no reason to kill them - doing it will result in RDM as you have no reason to fire at them.

cops saw me walk to them with a fully automatic 7.62 scar im pretty sure thats illegal
Depending on the context this could be copbaiting and therefore be against our rules.

Report denied.
 
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