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Your Steam Name: Felix Snow
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:553612826
Your Character Name: Lance Snow

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Request Reason: Fail-rp
Randomly popped my tires on my undercover vehicle then stabbed me after I tried tasing him.
When did the situation occur?: 10 MST 4/11/22
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Additional members involved/witnessing: N/A
Read, understood and followed player report rules?: Yes
 

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Yeah that was me, I stabbed your tires because this is the vehicle that pulled up before cuffing everyone in the bank for no reason. Once you tried to arrest me, I'm allowed to defend myself. I responded to your report on the server telling you all this but apparently you didn't read it.

Since you had just died at the bank, you shouldn't have been going straight back there as per NLR. Rule 2.1.3 states:
You may not return to the area you died at for a timespan of 10 minutes (NLR).
Yet you immediately returned to the bank after dying there.

As per rule 2.2.8 (quoted below) since I was visibly committing a crime, I am allowed to use deadly force on you once you had shown yourself to be an officer.
You may not kill a Law Enforcement Officer unless you have a valid roleplay reason to do so. These could include, but are not limited to, visibly carrying illegal weapons or visibly performing an illegal activity.

As per rule 5.1.6 (quoted below), you had no reason to cuff and attempt to search everyone in the bank when you claimed to only see one person doing something illegal. The rest of us were minding our own business and you took it upon yourself to cuff everyone inside and leave us cuff for an extended period of time for no reason.
You may not perform random searches unless you have reasonable suspicions or concrete evidence of crimes being committed. Law Enforcement may search a player in custody for their safety, or if it is required to establish the identification of a player in custody.
 
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After I had died, I had reports that the shooters were in the bottom of the bank, this led me to believe that there was an ongoing bank raid. During bank raids officers are allowed two lives. I had reasonable evidence to believe that there was an ongoing bank robbery and responded to the situation, only to find the robbery had been dealt with by officers by the time I had got there.
I did have reasonable suspicion to detain you and the other player as when I first walked into bank I had seen a player carrying a class 3. You and the suspect with the class 3 all looked familiar and I was unable to determine which one of you I had seen with the class 3. I ran out of bank and called for backup, as I did this you and a few other players chased after me and followed me. When backup had arrived I had told the officers to arrest everyone as I was unable to determine who had the class 3. I detained you for my own safety and did plan on unarresting you after I had searched you. But right before I could, I was shot and killed.

As per rule 2.1.5 (quoted below), you had no reason to damage my vehicle as you didn't have a valid role-play reason to do so. Simply popping my tires because "It was the vehicle that pulled up to detain everyone" is not a valid reason, especially so because you seen me die in front of you. After I die, you have no reason to harm me or destroy my property.
You may not destroy someone's property without a valid roleplay reason.

As per rule 2.2.10 (quoted below), you cannot harm an officer for detaining you, I am going to assume this carries onto destroying an LEO's vehicle.
You may not harm a Law Enforcement Officer for writing you, your friends or organization/party members a ticket. In addition, you may not harm a Law Enforcement Officer for previously arresting you and/or confiscating items from your inventory.

As per rule 2.6.6 (quoted below), you had no reason to pop my vehicles tires, you purposefully popped all my tires with a machete to lure other officers to your location just so you can stab them. You were in front of bank committing a crime with no valid reason and intended on killing any officer that would investigate.
You may not cop bait - the act of excessively provoking Law Enforcement for the sole purpose of having them chase you or incite some other reaction from them for your own mere enjoyment.

As per rule 1.13 (quoted below), you may not grief another player with the intention of annoying said player. Popping an officers tires with no valid reason falls under this rule as it makes it almost impossible to drive all the way to mechanics with a fully popped tire car. As you mentioned, you popped them because I detained you. So as a punishment, you were going to grief me by popping my tires after I had re spawned.
You may not grief, troll, harass or do other things with the intention of annoying other players.
 

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After I had died, I had reports that the shooters were in the bottom of the bank, this led me to believe that there was an ongoing bank raid. During bank raids officers are allowed two lives. I had reasonable evidence to believe that there was an ongoing bank robbery and responded to the situation, only to find the robbery had been dealt with by officers by the time I had got there.
The shooting had long since ended in the bank, I heard an officer call all clear over the radio while you were still a corpse. So I'm not sure how you could have been called back to the bank. I even told your superiors that you had been too trigger happy on the cuffs and it had caused the entire incident in the bank and they responded with, and I'm quoting, "yeah that detective is pretty dumb." Here's a direct quote of the rule allowing the police to come back during a raid:
Law Enforcement may ignore NLR and come back if called by active units on scene until they have died twice for all raids, except Police or Sheriff's Department raids.
There were no active units on the scene to call you back, everyone had long since left before you came back, so I'm not sure how you could have been called back to the bank well after everything had been finished. Like it's to the point where either you're lying about being called back, you decided to use information from a past life after you died, or you just flagrantly ignore the NLR rule. Even if I take what you said at face value and true, the moment you knew that there was no raid you should have started following the NLR rules that you so conveniently chose to ignore. You had enough time to go inside the bank and go to the teller and you hadn't realized that there wasn't an active situation before that? The complete absence of cops the moment you walked up to the front of the bank should have been enough to tell you that there was no active situation, yet you decided to insert yourself into the area where you had just died prior to the required 10 minutes anyway.

I did have reasonable suspicion to detain you and the other player as when I first walked into bank I had seen a player carrying a class 3. You and the suspect with the class 3 all looked familiar and I was unable to determine which one of you I had seen with the class 3. I ran out of bank and called for backup, as I did this you and a few other players chased after me and followed me. When backup had arrived I had told the officers to arrest everyone as I was unable to determine who had the class 3. I detained you for my own safety and did plan on unarresting you after I had searched you. But right before I could, I was shot and killed.
Tyler Gard, the one who you saw with a gun, and I look literally nothing alike. His character is a male in a suit and mine is a female in a hoodie. We followed you out of the bank because someone said you were a narc so we decided to hassle you a bit for being a narc in good fun. No one at any point while following you out even set off the metal detector, only you did. And then when you called the entire police force down and cuffed both of us I literally told you to search both of us. Neither of us had anything on us at all, but instead of searching us immediately you instead decided to meander around and leave us cuffed for an unreasonable amount of time. You got shot because one of my org members saw you cuffing two of our members and leaving them cuffed for extended periods of time. He reacted accordingly, as was his right.

As per rule 2.1.5 (quoted below), you had no reason to damage my vehicle as you didn't have a valid role-play reason to do so. Simply popping my tires because "It was the vehicle that pulled up to detain everyone" is not a valid reason, especially so because you seen me die in front of you. After I die, you have no reason to harm me or destroy my property.
You literally called the entire police department to the bank because you thought you saw one person with a class 3 then had most of the people in the bank detained for extended periods of time for no reason. The harassment of everyone in the bank, including but not limited to the police shooting cuffed civilians in the bank and leaving us cuffed for extended periods of time, led everyone in the bank to want to retaliate. Instead of cop baiting and starting a firefight with the police, which is against the rules, I decided to retaliate against the police department by slashing the tires of the one car I knew was that of the police. Honestly I didn't even think it was yours, I thought it was the car of the cop that pulled up after you ran out of the bank and cried for help.

As per rule 2.6.6 (quoted below), you had no reason to pop my vehicles tires, you purposefully popped all my tires with a machete to lure other officers to your location just so you can stab them. You were in front of bank committing a crime with no valid reason and intended on killing any officer that would investigate.
Bro you literally were not there neither were any other police when I started, that's not what cop baiting means. Cop baiting would be if I went up to a cop and pulled a gun on them for no reason to start a gunfight with the cops. Or if I was purposefully driving recklessly in front of the police to start a car chase. The definition of cop baiting is literally spelled out in the ruleset.
The act of excessively provoking Law Enforcement for the sole purpose of having them chase you or incite some other reaction from them for your own mere enjoyment.
Doing an illegal action when there are no police visibly present is not cop baiting, by your definition doing anything illegal in any sort of public space would be cop baiting. Only after you failed to taze me did I know that there was an officer there and it is my right to defend myself from arrest.
 
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You had enough time to go inside the bank and go to the teller and you hadn't realized that there wasn't an active situation before that? The complete absence of cops the moment you walked up to the front of the bank should have been enough to tell you that there was no active situation, yet you decided to insert yourself into the area where you had just died prior to the required 10 minutes anyway.
After I had grabbed a firearm from one of the lockers I responded to the bank and intended on going downstairs as the officers who called out the armed suspects may have been killed. There may not have been cops in the front. as they would have pushed down into the vault area. So I assumed that's what had happened. I planned on sticking around longer as I had to clear the bank before I could leave.

Tyler Gard, the one who you saw with a gun, and I look literally nothing alike. His character is a male in a suit and mine is a female in a hoodie. We followed you out of the bank because someone said you were a narc so we decided to hassle you a bit for being a narc in good fun. No one at any point while following you out even set off the metal detector, only you did. And then when you called the entire police force down and cuffed both of us I literally told you to search both of us. Neither of us had anything on us at all, but instead of searching us immediately you instead decided to meander around and leave us cuffed for an unreasonable amount of time. You got shot because one of my org members saw you cuffing two of our members and leaving them cuffed for extended periods of time. He reacted accordingly, as was his right.
Both you and almost everyone else in the bank all looked similar because of the same shades of black and gray and the use of balaclavas. I had only seen the suspect with the class 3 for a few seconds before I left so of course I didn't have a great idea on what the suspect looked like. And after I left, you followed me out which made you a suspect as you could have had a gun unequipped for all I know, if you minded your buisness and stayed in bank you wouldnt have become a suspect. When I arrested you, you got upset and started complaining. I did immediately start searching you, I seen both you and your friend were unarmed. I was going to un-arrest you until your friend started a shootout. I did not leave you cuffed for an unreasonable amount of time. Your friend did that to you, not me. I don't know why your friend shot at LEOs as you were simply being detained momentarily, and both of you had nothing illegal.

You literally called the entire police department to the bank because you thought you saw one person with a class 3 then had most of the people in the bank detained for extended periods of time for no reason. The harassment of everyone in the bank, including but not limited to the police shooting cuffed civilians in the bank and leaving us cuffed for extended periods of time, led everyone in the bank to want to retaliate. Instead of cop baiting and starting a firefight with the police, which is against the rules, I decided to retaliate against the police department by slashing the tires of the one car I knew was that of the police. Honestly I didn't even think it was yours, I thought it was the car of the cop that pulled up after you ran out of the bank and cried for help.
I did see a player with a class-3, and you seen it too as when I started running, you knew why I was running and assumed I was an undercover officer. Once again, I had most of the people in bank momentarily detained just to search them. It is not my fualt that your friend opened fire on officers which made you and everyone else unable to be let go. There was no reason to retaliate against officers as they were simply doing their job, not randomly harassing civilians. You should have been upset at your friend for starting a gunfight for no reason. He is the one that kept you and your friend cuffed for a extended period of time. You can't just destroy an officers vehicle because he responded to an active situation.
 

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After I had grabbed a firearm from one of the lockers I responded to the bank and intended on going downstairs as the officers who called out the armed suspects may have been killed. There may not have been cops in the front. as they would have pushed down into the vault area. So I assumed that's what had happened. I planned on sticking around longer as I had to clear the bank before I could leave.
Yes but the situation was handled before you even got revived? All the police has already left and we’re gone before you respawned so why would you have any reason to respond to bank if the cops Code 4’ed it

Both you and almost everyone else in the bank all looked similar because of the same shades of black and gray and the use of balaclavas. I had only seen the suspect with the class 3 for a few seconds before I left so of course I didn't have a great idea on what the suspect looked like. And after I left, you followed me out which made you a suspect as you could have had a gun unequipped for all I know, if you minded your buisness and stayed in bank you wouldnt have become a suspect. When I arrested you, you got upset and started complaining. I did immediately start searching you, I seen both you and your friend were unarmed. I was going to un-arrest you until your friend started a shootout. I did not leave you cuffed for an unreasonable amount of time. Your friend did that to you, not me. I don't know why your friend shot at LEOs as you were simply being detained momentarily, and both of you had nothing illegal.
Not true I was a white male with a 3 piece black on black suit with a black balaclava

Broken has a CP mask and another hat with a grey Hoodie and jeans

Joe (the 3rd guy he handcuffed) was wearing a black hoodie and a headcrab with jeans

Theses are not the same thing and I was the one carrying the class 3 I even followed you out calling you a Narc but other than that you can’t Cuff everyone there this isn’t the Half life event where you can search anyone you want you need some reason and someone following you calling you a Narc is not a reason
 

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After I had grabbed a firearm from one of the lockers I responded to the bank and intended on going downstairs as the officers who called out the armed suspects may have been killed. There may not have been cops in the front. as they would have pushed down into the vault area. So I assumed that's what had happened. I planned on sticking around longer as I had to clear the bank before I could leave.
If this were true, why did you go to the teller? If you genuinely thought there was a situation happening, why would you be at the bank teller in your video and not coming back up from the basement? There was almost exactly 3 minutes between when you were revived, you going to the locker to get a gun, you going back to the bank, and then you getting stabbed. So either you are the fastest runner in the entire server or you never checked the downstairs. The only way that timeline lines up is if you went straight to the teller as soon as you got to the bank, which means at no point did you even try to go to the basement to "clear the bank".

You dying is a direct result of your actions in the bank prior and your decision to break NLR, plain and simple.
 
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Hello,
After I had died, I had reports that the shooters were in the bottom of the bank, this led me to believe that there was an ongoing bank raid. During bank raids officers are allowed two lives. I had reasonable evidence to believe that there was an ongoing bank robbery and responded to the situation, only to find the robbery had been dealt with by officers by the time I had got there.
Officers have two lives, if they are called as backup! I don't know if this happened or not, but the rule requires you to be called as backup by another police coworker on scene.

This staff report does not provide any evidence to analyze the situation properly.

Staff report denied.
 
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