The serious decline of player count.

[Deleted member 12627]

To be honest I think the main issue is lack of content. Everything can be traced back to that. People are breaking rules and shit because they’re bored waiting for 2.0. People leave cause they’re bored. No fault to the devs, they’re working incredibly hard on something that’s essentially volunteer work, in their free time, but once the new update comes out I’m sure tons of people will be back. Just be patient. Even after the last big update with the car bodygroups and job cosmetics and stuff TONS of people came back for a bit. Everything will work itself out, that’s just how games work. Good example is minecraft. The player base rises and falls because the updates come out once a year, but it’s still one of the best selling games of all time.

I agree mostly, but still you cannot deny they have removed way too many people for extended periods of times. That's why the player count is the way it is right now. Pretty much each time everyone waits for a new update, the player count would still hit 80-90 each night at some point. Now you're lucky if you find 50-60 and in the mornings you only see 20-30. Sometimes even below 10

 

[braidan]

I agree mostly, but still you cannot deny they have removed way too many people for extended periods of times. That's why the player count is the way it is right now. Pretty much each time everyone waits for a new update, the player count would still hit 80-90 each night at some point. Now you're lucky if you find 50-60

A ban wipe wave would be great for this, or just selecting certain players. I find it crazy that they keep players banned even from years ago, but I even remember PMX unbanning tons of people a few months ago so it seems they keep the players limited to the rules they broke. But after all giving people a second chance wouldn't really hurt much unless they came back and went right back to it, but that's also the staff's job is to stop rulebreaks.

 

[MrTaxi]

I agree mostly, but still you cannot deny they have removed way too many people for extended periods of times. That's why the player count is the way it is right now. Pretty much each time everyone waits for a new update, the player count would still hit 80-90 each night at some point. Now you're lucky if you find 50-60 and in the mornings you only see 20-30. Sometimes even below 10

I suppose, but to be completely honest, I dont mind the lack of activity too much. Sure, I prefer more people, but when you get raided constantly while trying to make guns it gets pretty annoying to have 30 people with open raid timers looking for loot

 

[Credence]

There has to be a way to make things like they once were right? the good days like true north and rockford and even paralake to an extent. i talked mad shit about staff back then being always on my ass and too active. what an idiot i was and now i can see how wrong and stupid i was. We need Juan Lopez, the world needs him.

 

[Tyro]

A unban wave just isn't worth it unless they get an anti cheat, a lot of unbanned players will just come back and cheat.

 

[Al límite]

I'm gonna be honest, I dont see how staff can somehow be too harsh on players but also too lenient on Police? When police potentially face harsher punishments?

Are you serious Or just genuinly not paying attention ? If I was to call someone out kos and it resulted being "Not Allowed" I would be punished for all the people that died / Attempted Kill , Racking up rdms such as kos vechile killed 4 people acedentail mass. A Cop code reds a car falsly killing almost 3-5 People Oh verbal false code red when more is impacted + People are pissed because they simply get let off under a different rule rather than a punishment of attempted / rdm per ammount of players that were impacted in the car so biased towards cops.

Crime RP which is the biggest driving force of the server, is completely dead. Nobody bases, there's no raids no muggings no nothing, nothing is happening. Everyone just kind of stands around sunset island and does nothing.

You know why ? It's because of the countless updates that the community trys to say is fucking dumb and nobody wants they keep nerfing "Criminal rp" to get people to rolplay but don't realise nobody wants to rp when you can't make money from it. Adding heavy death timers to avoid dying . Pointless Honistly.

Even without a dominant org, nobody is doing anything. The past few weeks when I started playing again, I have noticed that only my org does any major crime activity. I'm not exactly sure why this is, whether its cuz nobody wants to make money anymore, or there's so much cop spam, that people just don't think its possible. But I believe that is a major reason why the server is in such a major slump.

I do several crimes but it's only against cops and honistly when you just keep getting unfairly treeted during these crimes and biased staff allowing the cops ot headglitch / exploit the charger which is quite known that the window mirror is bullet proof and makes it almost impossible to hit you, Cop don't loose anything so they play like absolute dumbasses and there is 0 chance of their guns jamming and ammo is rarly a concern to them aswell , With all this being said they bassicly have nothing to loose and minge therefor cops vs crims is fucking aids and nobody really wants to do it anymore, And with 0 players it's hard to player vs player - Not Cops

Thats not always the case.

Agreed there is probably several players that are banned that do not deserve their bans , I'm not saying this is completly wrong yes some players do dumb shit and result in a ban that is probably well deserved . But there is still players out there that recived bans and extencive punishments for little to 0 reason rather than targetting older players telling them they should no better when it simply take 5 minutes to correct the mistake that occured but its viable to give a player a 1 week ban for a rdm honislty ubsurd.

I don’t think enough people see this—staff members try and be fair and take sits as they come in. Their sits are probably filled up with a ton of bullshit reports made by people who neglected to read the rules and think they got ”rdm’d”. They have to treat everyone fairly, which can be an issue for you if its a really important sit, but seeing it through the eyes of staff should make you respect them more.

This statment is just a meme I've encountered several completly biased sits with staff and players So I assume you just don't encounter sits to offten

Stuff like this does not help the server, it ruins the experience for players and staff, that's more sits the staff has to take, this is more refund requests that need to be made.

How long does it take you to do a refund 10-15 Minutes out of your life ? Seriously is that not the reason you signed up for staff was to be able to do such things like this not go inactive / complain that you have to something you valenterred for ?

A lot of players do this when they leave like MRDM, then 2-3 weeks later they decide to make an appeal saying "oh I didn't think I wanted to come back" and then players say we are being too harsh and need to unban players to increase our player count. Sorry but if you are a player who is going to MRDM just because you don't want to play or didn't get your way, then your not a player we want playing on our server.

Half the people who mass rdm and make appeals simply kill like 2 players after a giveaway and impacted 5 minutes of a staff members time by simply typing "Revive Player" Ban Player Mass Rdm , You take 5 minutes out of you day but they loose years of time on mono becuase of a simple day they did not feel the need to play anymore I don't really think mass rdm should be such a long ban enless you really impacted several times and people such as massing without staff on with maliscious activty than maybe it's justifed to ban them for a longer time.

Anyway its not just staff thats the issue its a lot of things. the staff thing can be easily fixed

Agreed not all problems are simply staff but with these problems what is a guest gonna fix them ? I mean staff are there to fix the problems which they rarly do,

his whole rant about staff is just ignorant. Its as simple as civilians/players simply following the rules, I feel like a job staff should have is encouraging people more to read the rules.

It's not a rant about staff nessacarly it's a rant about all things that end up leading to encluding staff beacuase most players feel half of them are the reason the server is dying.

My first week back on the server in April, PMX gave me a 2 day vehicle blacklist and I swore never to VDM again from that day. Walking around everywhere is aids. That is why blacklists work better, they teach people who actively play better then just banning them.

I mean semi agreed Yes walking everywhere is aids but simply having a blacklist from vechile for 1 vdm kinda ruins the game mono is bassed off of driving in my opinion there is little you can do without a car.

 

[Tye]

A lot of this stuff here people have problems with contradict each other. First you say staff members take too long to take reports, then complain about an increase in staff. You complain in OOC about someone MRDMing and then say the staff was being too harsh. Staff is not the issue. Make up your minds.

You are assuming all the bans ppl say are unfair is a MRDM.

 

[Tye]

Different staff have different punishing options, when I was staff in a situation like that I would ask them, do you prefer a ban or a blacklist? And I would go with what they chose. I realize you guys think certain staff are two faced/two sided or just biased and break rules but that's why you report them. And yet to mention it's THE staff members fault not the whole staff team.

Ofc it isnt the whole staff team but if a staff member constantly breaks rules then doesnt get removed its gonna leave a bad impression on the whole team, most of the players have given up on sr since they either get denied or its "they have been spoken to", this doesnt show any sort of punishment just basically that they did break rules but they wont be punished. I dont bother SR anymore since the amount ive seen that look like the staff should be demoted then they dont, the 1 demotion ive seen from a staff report was on a T-MOD who shouldnt have ever gotten staff in the first place.

 

[Thy]

Just want to put here that I'm reading all your replies and that I appreciate the feedback, keep it coming.

One thing I just want to add since I've seen it mentioned a bunch is the death timer. We are planning to lower it back down to what it used to be before it was increased as we agree with you that it does more harm than good.

 

[Alphadef]

Are you serious Or just genuinly not paying attention ? If I was to call someone out kos and it resulted being "Not Allowed" I would be punished for all the people that died / Attempted Kill , Racking up rdms such as kos vechile killed 4 people acedentail mass. A Cop code reds a car falsly killing almost 3-5 People Oh verbal false code red when more is impacted + People are pissed because they simply get let off under a different rule rather than a punishment of attempted / rdm per ammount of players that were impacted in the car so biased towards cops.

I mean I can't speak for every staff member but ignoring all other contextual factors if a cop falsely code red like 5 people I'd probably give him at least a warning point or two or a couple days weapons BL as well as a week PD BL.

 

[Al límite]

I mean I can't speak for every staff member but ignoring all other contextual factors if a cop falsely code red like 5 people I'd probably give him at least a warning point or two or a couple days weapons BL as well as a week PD BL.

Smh And If I killed 5 people in a car over a false kos I would get a week ban like *Biased*

 

[Alphadef]

Smh And If I killed 5 people in a car over a false kos I would get a week ban like *Biased*

Depends on context and your specific history, but not necessarily. Maybe if you knew the KoS was false.

 

[Brad]

People should understand that there is a difference between bias and punishment history

 

[Nomad_600]

Well PD code red usually are more lenient because when someone call it out you usually have to act on it and because someone else call it you should not be the one taking a hit for it

 

[TheLoser27]

A unban wave just isn't worth it unless they get an anti cheat, a lot of unbanned players will just come back and cheat.

I like the Idea of an Unban wave, but not just a Mass Unban of everyone, just people who have been permaed for little things, such as Suspected 3rd Part Software and just force a mass record on them, and then little perma rulebreaks and little things, just unban everyone that is basically just simple permas nothing major like the ones that deserve it...

 

[braidan]

Well PD code red usually are more lenient because when someone call it out you usually have to act on it and because someone else call it you should not be the one taking a hit for it

Last I checked anytime I was in a sit for code redding someone with permission it gets lead on the person who called it out originally, maybe you just haven't played in a while or it depends on the staff member.

 

[TheLoser27]

Well PD code red usually are more lenient because when someone call it out you usually have to act on it and because someone else call it you should not be the one taking a hit for it

No, I've been punished for following something that someone called out, because it's "Your Gun, your Bullet's, your Kill, your fault"

 

[Alphadef]

Well PD code red usually are more lenient because when someone call it out you usually have to act on it and because someone else call it you should not be the one taking a hit for it

This is also something to consider in regards to punishments for both KoS and Code Red. We usually try to pin the punishment for a false call on the person who actually made the call, but that is often much easier to do in KoS than code red due to the nature of PD Comms and the number of people on each radio as well as their familiarity with eachother.

 

[tazdevil335]

Hazer came on few days ago for the first time in 3 months and got a two week ban for fail driving... i know the guy has a history of punishments longer than the burj khalifa but still i think that was too much.

And I would concur with this punishment... You put the contradiction itself in the sentence, it doesn't matter if you just don't get on for 3 months lmao, this doesn't just "void your punishment and oh let's start giving out warnings again!!! " there isn't a Statute of limitations on punishments... You're saying if someone commits MRDM and gets banned for 6 months, then "get back on after 6 months of not playing" shouldn't get another ban longer than 6 months if they MRDM again? just constantly give out 6-month punishments?

Could have been solved by a 2 week blacklist.

Could have been, but if a player constantly breaks the rules, the punishments will stack. It would be unfair to regular players who have to deal with the rule breaks if they didn't..

@Al límite Agreed there is probably several players

Ok so I'm going to challenge this, if you want to bring up issues, then I challenge the players that are relying on this form to at least back up their claim, this is a very broad statement. If you give us examples then we can better help with situations, or better help explain why.

@Al límite How long does it take you to do a refund 10-15

I'm sorry, but how much time have you contributed to this server? We are grateful for your time as a mentor and for helping the community reply in !help chat, however, compared to me I have spent countless hours helping the community, Yes 1 report is 10 minutes. 1 report, how about the 100 we get a day? will you be on taking those reports dealing with players then dealing with the backlash of those players? However, please let's entertain this idea because it's not just 1 report. Staff members have other duties as well besides reports to keep this community running:

- Player Reports
- Events
- Creating the event, Running the event, dealing with screaming children about what guns they want, and unfair teams
- Marketing
- Media
- Recruitment
- new staff members, training, Interviews, Applications, Review, Mentors, Mentor Interviews, Mentor Applications
- RP enhancements
- Staff Reports
- Discord Moderation
- Forum Moderation
- QA Testing
- Police Supervisors
- Answering to the community in posts like this, plus responding to all threads linked with staff duties
- !help messages / OOC messages
- Discord help channel

Let's not mention all the things I cannot comment on in this post that I do. In which I do all for free to help the server. Granted some of these are between different ranks, and some are not mandatory but optional (but not all). But please tell me about the 10 minutes I have along with a real-life job and school to be handling refund requests for those players who want to run around MRDM for fun...

but they loose years of time on mono

Oh yes, let's just give everyone free rein to MRDM, and not punish anyone severely because it only takes 5 minutes of staff time to fix it because let's be real, it's not your time that's being wasted, just a staff member... No, let's keep giving everyone multiple chances because "they lose a year of time on mono" how about I make it simple and just don't MRDM? like it's not a difficult concept to understand? if you don't want to be banned for a year, just simply log-off, and if you wanna play later down the line, then go ahead.

 

[StewartJames]

Sorry gents - why on earth is code red even a thing? That's not how policing works in real life. No one says "hell yeah it's murder time" and then from then on the bounty hunter system is enabled.

Surely we should just say that if a vehicle is posing an immediate threat to life it can be shot, same as on foot. As soon as it stops doing so, the lethal force stops.

That would avoid all the "he tapped an officer so we killed everyone he loves and his deliveroo driver" that happens and makes criminals angry, rightfully.

I always thought code red was an incredibly silly concept.